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#IBeM Emulator Trouble!

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#12531From: Cybersim Inc.Jul 26, 1991 7:14 PM
I've just installed the IBeM software emulator in my Amiga 2000, and it says "can't allocate memory". The documentation does not refer to this problem. I have 1 meg of RAM, of which 765k is available. Eric Pinnell
#12543From: Mentor TechnologiesJul 27, 1991 10:09 AM
Eric. When you start up IBeM, yo tell it how much memory to allocate to your DOS session, like this: IBEM 640. The above would allocate 640k mem. for DOS. I THINK that the emulator has to use FAST RAM, so even though you have 700+k free, not all of that is FAST. A good portion of it is probably CHIP ram. Try assigning less memory for IBeM. Start with 256k and work your way up in chunks of 64 or 128k. Hope this helps. Scott Horn :',
#12546From: Cybersim Inc.Jul 27, 1991 11:45 AM
I'll give it a try. Thanks
#12552From: Cybersim Inc.Jul 27, 1991 2:44 PM
Well, it looks like I have to go an edit my MOUNTLIST file and stick all sorts of ridiculous technical information into it that the author forgot to include. So I'm just not going to bother. As far as I am concerned, any program that has to modify the system file should have a little icon called "INSTALL" that you double click on. I have no idea what the parameters to fill in are, and it's not in the docs. So much for quality shareware! Eric Pinnell
#12557From: John GagerJul 27, 1991 7:53 PM
Although I agree with you in some points about making shareware as easy to use as possible, you have to realize that most authors are doing us a favor by making it shareware in the first place. A LOT of shareware programs could easily have gone commercial, such as SID, but the author decided it was more a labor of love than to make profits. Very few shareware authors get rich with their software, or barely make enough to cover the cost of their software they used to create the shareware in the first place! John
#12559From: Cybersim Inc.Jul 27, 1991 9:14 PM
I know, but at least the author could have put the neccessary information to make the thing work. I can't even get in touch with the author because he lives in New Zealand!! Has ANYBODY gotten IBem to work? If not, are there any COMMERCIAL software-only emulators out there? Hellllppp! Eric (I'm brain damaged) Pinnell
#12564From: Michael GerardJul 27, 1991 10:17 PM
Eric… You should also find out if IBeM will work under KS & WB 1.2. That version of the system software has outlived it usefullness. – Whapping from the North Coast Michael
#12567From: John GagerJul 28, 1991 12:37 AM
Yep, I've been able to get IBeM working just fine. First thing is, I believe you are using a 1000 or 500, right? If so, you may be disappointed in the speed of IBeM because it is a software based emulator. On the 3000, it just barely matches the speed of a 4mHz XT, so I would hate to see how slow it crawls on a 500. Another thing, do you happen to have the commercial program CrossDos? If not, there is a PD program called "MSH" that also emulates the MS-DOS filesystem, so that will need to be downloaded also if you don't have CrossDos. I believe MSH is here in the libraries so you should be able to find the exact filename in the Amiga Filefinder (GO AMIGAFF) using the keyword MSH or MessyDos as the search words. If your still interested in getting IBeM to work, let me know and I'll try to get your started. John (in beautiful downtown Walla Walla) – via Whap!
#12578From: Michael GerardJul 28, 1991 10:08 AM
John: Eric is using KS & WB 1.2… will that present any problems for IBeM? – Whapping from the North Coast Michael
#12623From: John GagerJul 29, 1991 12:59 AM
Using 1.2 could cause problems for IBeM. I would suggest Eric upgrade to at least 1.3, either that or wait until 2.0 becomes available. John (in beautiful downtown Walla Walla) – via Whap!
#12580From: Cybersim Inc.Jul 28, 1991 10:12 AM
Actually, I'm using an amiga 2000. Tell me, what did you insert into your MOUNTLIST file as parameters? I have no idea how to set this file up properly. Eric Pinnell
#12624From: John GagerJul 29, 1991 1:00 AM
Eric, IBeM does come with an example Mountlist for the program MSH that I described earlier. All you have to do is modify your Mountlist by typing in the example at the end of your Mountlist. And here is a sample mountlist entry if you are using CrossDos: IBMA: Device = mfm.device Unit = 0 Flags = 1 /* Allow 5 1/4" drives */ Surfaces = 2 BlocksPerTrack = 9 Reserved = 1 Interleave = 0 LowCyl = 0; HighCyl = 79 /* 80 track drive */ FileSystem = L:MSDOSFileSystem Buffers = 5 BufMemType = 0 Stacksize = 4000 Priority = 5 GlobVec = -1 DosType = 0x4D534400 Mount = 0 # After you have your mountlist modified, all you have to do is reset your computer, type in the command: MOUNT IBMA: <Return> Next insert your MS-DOS boot disk in drive df0:, and then run the IBeM emulator. That should get you going. Just to let you know, I will be in Seattle all next week, so if you have any more questions, please post them as Email so I can read them when I get back. By the way, if you are using CrossDos, you must have it installed also before IBeM will work. You don't have to run CrossDos, but all the support files need to be installed. If you are trying to use MSH, well then any questions you have for that will have to wait until I get back, or possibly someone else can help you get that installed. Have a good week, and don't give up yet! John (in beautiful downtown Walla Walla) – via Whap!
#12630From: Cybersim Inc.Jul 29, 1991 9:22 AM
I shall give your idea a try. Thanks! I'll keep my fingers crossed! Eric Pinnell
#12592From: John ParkerJul 28, 1991 3:56 PM
Eric, I've been using IBeM for some time now on my A3000. I have an IBM partition set up on the hard drive and IBeM boots up off of that. I run Word Perfect and many other MS-DOS programs without many problems. Here is the mountlist entries I use for IBMA: and IBMB:. Note that I am using CrossDos to do this instead of MSH: IBMA: Device = mfm.device Unit = 0 Flags = 0 Surfaces = 2 BlocksPerTrack = 9 Reserved = 1 Interleave = 0 LowCyl = 0; HighCyl = 79 /* 80 track drive */ FileSystem = L:MSDOSFileSystem Buffers = 5 BufMemType = 0 Stacsize = 4000 Priority = 5 GlobVec = -1 DosType = 0x4D534400 Mount = 0; # IBMB: Device = mfm.device Unit = 2 Flags = 0 Surfaces = 2 BlocksPerTrack = 9 Reserved = 1 Interleave = 0 LowCyl = 0; HighCyl = 79 /* 80 track drive */ FileSystem = L:MSDOSFileSystem Buffers = 5 BufMemType = 0 Stacksize = 4000 Priority = 5 GlobVec = -1 DosType = 0x4D534400 Mount = 0; # This is almost a duplicate of the mountlist that comes with CrossDos. I mount IBMA: and IBMB: in my start-up sequence. I do not know if this will work on your system, but it might give you a starting point. I believe that CI$ has internet mail, in which case you can E-Mail a letter to the author of IBeM (his E-Mail address is in the docs). I have done so myself (via usenet) and he responds very rapidly to questions. JP
#12598From: Cybersim Inc.Jul 28, 1991 5:58 PM
Thanks for your MountList listing. I'll give it a try. How do I access internet and usenet? It would be very useful for my business. Eric (keeping my fingers crossed) Pinnell PS: I bought crossdos, so it should work OK.
#12604From: Cybersim Inc.Jul 28, 1991 7:31 PM
Well, looks like it don't work on my machine. I replaced the entries in the Mountlist table (DI0 and DI1) by renaming them IBMA and IBMB, and then proceding to use MOUNTMF "IBMA" and "IBMB". According to assign, they come out named "IBMA0" and "IBMB0". Not only does IBEM not run (some uesless drivel about no bootable disks being found), but I think I've messed up my startup-sequence file. Sigh! This is beginning to get to the point where I should just quit! Eric (I'm annoyed) Pinnell
#12612From: Michael GerardJul 28, 1991 10:25 PM
Eric: WB & KS 1.2 just ain't gonna cut it for you. You can not boot anything from your hardrive under 1.2. You can not use the mountlist entries from someone who is booting from their hard drive… you're using a different operating system! – Whapping from the North Coast Michael
#12620From: Jonathan HirschmanJul 28, 1991 11:45 PM
ERIC– You did get it to work! You need a bootable MS-DOS disk in your boot drive! Jonathan Jonathan – from Albany, NY, via whap!
#12629From: Cybersim Inc.Jul 29, 1991 9:22 AM
I had a bootable disk in the drive. 720K format, MSDOS 5.0, system diskette, the whole works. Besides, it gave me that error message without the floppy drive light coming on! Eric Pinnell
#12640From: John ParkerJul 29, 1991 5:55 PM
Eric, Just type "mount ibma:" or "mount ibmb:", do not use "mountmf". Also make sure that you are using a colon after IBMA (i.e. IBMA:) in the mountlist. As a check to see if IBMA: is mounted correctly, open a shell an "cd IBMA:" to ckeck if the system knows if IBMA: exists. Then try and do a "dir" to a MS-DOS disk to see if it can be read.
#12642From: Cybersim Inc.Jul 29, 1991 6:33 PM
I tried your suggestion. It seems WB 1.2 does not recognizethe "FileSystem=" parameter. I'm trying to install WB 1.3.2 with no luck. I'm calling over a friend tonight to try and get help. Eric Pinnell
#12619From: Jonathan HirschmanJul 28, 1991 11:45 PM
eric– got it to work the first time out, no kidding. Still have the demo version, but will send in my fees pretty soon. It really does work, albeit real slowwww….but that's inherent in CPU emulation. Jonathan Jonathan – from Albany, NY, via whap!
#12628From: Cybersim Inc.Jul 29, 1991 9:22 AM
Since you're a Multiverse playtester, why don't you help a poor old man figure out what he's doing wrong?! (Whimper!)) The whole reason I've been after this IBeM thing was so that Amiga users can participate in the playtest even if the Amiga version isn't ready at that time. IBeM may be SLOWW, but the Player Assist doesn't take much horsepower to use (if it can run on and old XT at blindingly fast speeds, it can run on an emulator). If you thin IBeM is bad, the only emulator for the Atari ST I've found takes 2 or 3 seconds to update a mouse once it's moved!! Eric Pinnell
#12652From: Jonathan HirschmanJul 29, 1991 10:01 PM
Eric– Wait–I'm a future Multiverse playtester. Haven't seen anything yet, but still excited. Now, lets take this one step at a time. Are you using CrossDos? Do you have a 720k boot disk (MS-DOS) set up? Is you CrossDos (or other solution) providing IBM floppy emulation before IBeM is launched? We can take it from there.. Jonathan Jonathan – from Albany, NY, via whap!
#12653From: Cybersim Inc.Jul 29, 1991 10:26 PM
I'm afraid I've killed my hard disk. I tried to reformat it under WB 1.3.2 but it died halfway through. Now I can't mount anything on DH0:. BTW, did you go to PBMGAME and download the QSTNAIRE.MUL questionnaire? If no, could you please do this. If yes, WHERE IS THE QUESTIONNAIRE?? Or do you prefer I mail you a copy? Eric (This has been a rough day) Pinnell
#12716From: Jonathan HirschmanJul 30, 1991 10:44 PM
Eric– Give me details on your setup; make of controller, which harddrive model, etc. Have you tried to reset everything under 1.2, and start at the beginning? I can tell you from experience that its sometimes better to chuck the old setup and start from scratch. I had a Cltd. Kronos setup, and I got rid of it when GVP offered their trade-in offer. Haven't had a lick of trouble since. (It may not be a bad idea to give GVP a call, because I've heard whispers that they will still do the trade in, especially if you can feed a sympathetic ear there a good sob story). A 1.3 ROM wouldn't be a bad idea either, since there is no word when 2.0 is coming (and I'm not holding my breath). I didn't download the file you mentioned because I didn't know I had to. I will attempt to do so tonight, although I would appreciate a mailing as a backup. Please get me the details of your setup ASAP. Jonathan Jonathan – from Albany, NY, via whap!
#12563From: Michael GerardJul 27, 1991 10:16 PM
I agree with you John. If a piece of shareware is too complicated to use, or doesn't fit your needs, don't buy it! – Whapping from the North Coast Michael