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#Read PC-Mac-Atari Disks

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#61627From: Dominick J. FontanaJul 5, 1992 3:13 AM
As a sideline, I;ve decided to open a recording studio in my home. The point is that the Amiga is not that big in the music industry. I'll be running an 8-track/MIDI studio. I envision that many users will come to me with MIDI sequences that have been saved on PC, Mac, and Atari ST formatted disks. For those unfamiliar with MIDI, sequences can be saved from other platforms in SMF (Standard MIDI File) format and then loaded into my Amiga sequencer. I just need a way to read the data saved to disk with another computer platform. So, I need some advice on what to get to read the data from PC, Mac, and Atari ST disks. I've heard of DOS-TO-DOS and MAC-TO-DOS from Central Coast Software and CROSS-DOS from Consultron. Will these programs allow me to do what I previously mentioned? Also, would I have to buy a disk drive or any other hardware in order to accomplish my goals? Remember, I'm just looking for a way to insert a PC, Mac, or Atari ST disk and load the data from it into my Amiga sequencer. I don't need to be able to emulate these platforms. Thanks for any help. Dom Fontana
#61635From: Robert HayesJul 5, 1992 6:29 AM
Dunno about Macs and STs, but I know that Dos-2-Dos will read 720K 3.5" IBM floppies no problem, using the Amiga's floppy drives. It WON'T read 1.44 meg drives, so you will have to beat your clients about the head and neck to make them understand that they have to bring stuff in on 720K disks. (It won't work, and they will send you 1.44 meg disks every day, but at least you'll have the satisfaction of beating them up. <g>) Note that D2D (at least the copy I have) isn't transparent; that is, you have to go into D2D and copy the IBM file onto your hard disk (or whatever other medium you have handy). Then you could use it.
#61724From: Dominick J. FontanaJul 6, 1992 1:10 AM
Robert, Great news. So with Dos-2-Dos, I'll have access to IBM 720K 3.5" disks using only the Amiga's floppy drives? That's exactly the solution I was hoping for. I hope it's as easy with the Mac and Atari disks. Thanks. Dom Fontana
#61739From: Michael GerardJul 6, 1992 1:59 AM
Dom: As Don said… the best choice for what you want to do is Cross-Dos, not Dos-2-Dos. Consultron has even provided the source to CBM for inclusion in to the next (unannounced, rumor only) version of the Amiga OS. Michael …..on AutoPilot
#61744From: Dominick J. FontanaJul 6, 1992 2:24 AM
Thnaks, Michael.
#61643From: Michael GerardJul 5, 1992 10:00 AM
Dom: Cross-Dos 5 from consultron will do what you want. If you can get your hands on one of the new CBM High Density floppy drives, it will even read/write MSDOS 1.44 meg drives. Of course, A-Max, with the HD drive and Apple File Exchange would give you the most flexibility. Michael …..on AutoPilot
#61730From: Dominick J. FontanaJul 6, 1992 1:20 AM
Michael, I'm a bit confused. You say Cross-Dos 5 will do what I want. Do you mean that it will give me access to IBM, Mac, and Atari ST disks all with one program and with no additional hardware? Of course I've heard about A-Max for years, but since I never had a use for it before, I never looked into it. What exactly do I need for an A-Max setup and what does it cost? Of course, I'd still need something to have access to IBM and Atari disks. Thanks. Dom Fontana
#61736From: Michael GerardJul 6, 1992 1:59 AM
Cross-Dos 5 will allow you to transparently read and write MSDOS format disks directly in your Amiga drives. If you have a CBM High Density floppy drive (or one of the 20 meg floptical drives) it will read/write MSDOS formatted High Density drives as well as the low density (720K) floppy disks. It can access files from any device in your system. I _think_ it will allow you to READ Atari ST disks, but I'm not sure… check with Leonard Poma at Consultron (313-459-7271) for more information. At $25 – $30, CROSS-DOS is a _MUST HAVE_ product for all Amiga users! A-Max comes in two flavors. Both require that you provide MAC PLUS ROMS (128K roms, 2 chips) and the MAC operating System. The external cartridge version, which plugs in to the external floppy port on the Amiga, and passes the port through, also requires that you have an external Mac compatible 800K floppy disk drive. The internal card version (A-MAX II+ card) allows you to read/write MAC 800k disks directly in your Amiga internal floppy drive, and gives you an AppleTalk port, a midi port and a serial port. If you have an Amiga HD floppy drive, A-Max II+ will read MAC high density floppy disks, as well as both MSDOS Low and High density floppy disks, using Apple File Exchange. A-MAX does _not_ multitask… it takes over the entire computer, and requires a reboot when you're done using it. It is a remarkable product for those who need Mac compatibility and don't want to buy a MAC. Here's an estimate of the cost involved in an AMAX system: set 128k ROMS…….. $150 (best guess… they can be hard to find) AMAXII CARTRIDGE….. $125 (less if you buy it used) MAC comp floppy…… $119 (only required with the cartridge version) AMAXII+ CARD……… $249 MAC OS…………… $100 (assuming you buy the MAC OS) Strongly recommended are: Flicker eliminator of some kind and an accellerated Amiga. So, either setup will run you around $500, give or take $50. I believe that Central Coast software still sells Mac-2-Dos, but it costs <continued>
#61737From: Michael GerardJul 6, 1992 1:59 AM
around $100, and still requires the Mac floppy drive, so is hardly a bargain. Michael …..on AutoPilot
#61747From: Dominick J. FontanaJul 6, 1992 2:33 AM
Michael, Thanks for all that info, but I really don't want to spring for A-Max. That's a Mac emulator, and I'm not looking for one. That's sort of like buying a Brideboard instead of CrossDOS. CrossDOS is a done deal and thanks for the recommendation. I'll keep searching for a Mac solution. Mac-2-Dos may be the only way to go. Dom Fontana
#61811From: daniel wolfJul 7, 1992 1:01 AM
Dom, I've also heard that a PD or Shareware program called MultiDos is the best solution available – but I haven't tried it myself.
#61952From: Dominick J. FontanaJul 8, 1992 3:51 AM
Daniel, Thanks for the MultiDos tip. Do you know what files it converts? (From which platforms?) Thanks. Dom Fontana
#62356From: daniel wolfJul 12, 1992 4:15 AM
sorry dom, i just say some blurb on it in one of the Amiga mags where they discuss 'public domain gems' or some such thing. maybe it was in Compuserve's own magazine. I can almost always remember what I read, but I'm losing the ability to remember which specific publication was the source – all those Amiga mags seem to run together, you know … I tend to look at all the sources as one big publication divided into different sections which arrive a few days apart each month. I must get 5 or 6 now. I like 'em all!
#61657From: Jim Nangano/SYSOPJul 5, 1992 12:36 PM
Dom, In addition to what others have said, it should be noted that Atari ST disks can be read by any software that can read MS-DOS disks, as the disk format is (almost) identical. I strongly recommend using CrossDos over Dos-2-Dos, as it is much easier and more flexible to use. CrossDos allows any Amiga program to read the files directly from the MessyDOS disk – D2D will only let you copy files to/or from the disks by its own program. Hope this helps…. – BobR
#61733From: Dominick J. FontanaJul 6, 1992 1:45 AM
Bob, Yes, it does help and thank you. To clarify, CrossDos will allow me to read IBM and Atari ST files directly from disk using the standard Amiga floppy drive. Is this correct? Does it also allow me to read Mac disks? If not, what do I need to do that? I heard of Mac-2-Dos and of course A-Max, but I'm looking for the cheapest solution. I believe A-Max does much more than I need. Does that just leave me with Mac-2-Dos as my only solution if indeed CrossDos doesn't read Mac disks? Thanks. Dom Fontana
#61763From: Jim Nangano/SYSOPJul 6, 1992 10:52 AM
Dom, Yes – CrossDOS allows you to read and write IBM and Atari 3.5" 720K diskettes using a standard Amiga floppy drive. It won't work with high-density diskettes (1.4M), unless you have one of the Commodore high-density disk drives. It will not read a Mac disk. I've no experience with either Mac-2-Dos or with AMax, so I can't help you there. – BobR
#61878From: Charles FigueiredoJul 7, 1992 8:14 PM
Bob: > Yes – CrossDOS allows you to read and write IBM and Atari 3.5" 720K > diskettes using a standard Amiga floppy drive. It won't work with Do you happen to know what's going on with CrossDOS v5.0 and Ambassador? No one seems to available at Consultron's number so I haven't been able to ask them the same question. Regards Charles
#61896From: Michael GerardJul 7, 1992 10:28 PM
Charles, I spoke with Leonard a few weeks ago, and he seemed determined (and frustrated) to hold up both Cross-Dos 5 and Ambassador unitl CBM released the new 2.x software and the new Janus s/w. He gave 2 reasons… 1) He needs to know just how CBM is going to implement his code in the AmigaDos filesystem and 2) He is waiting to see the final implementation of the Janus s/w and the 386BB. Apparently, CBM has not been gracious about keeping him informed, and he has to wait until they are willing to divulge the information he needs. Michael …..on AutoPilot
#62079From: Charles FigueiredoJul 9, 1992 6:24 PM
Michael: > I spoke with Leonard a few weeks ago, and he seemed determined (and > frustrated) to hold up both Cross-Dos 5 and Ambassador unitl CBM released I've been reluctant to send in my upgrade order because of the uncertainty about when and if CrossDOS v5.0 and Ambassador are expected to be released, and because of my lack of success it getting in touch with Consultron. Do you know what Leonard is doing with the upgrade payments. Is he cashing upgrade cheques? Have most people sent in their upgrade orders and payments? Regards Charles
#62094From: Michael GerardJul 9, 1992 9:14 PM
Charles… I sent in my check several months ago, and I don't believe it has been cashed yet. I wish he WOULD cash it… the bank does have a limit on how old a check can be and still be honored! It's just my personal opinion, but I wouldn't worry about Consultron's integrity… I have complete faith that if they can't deliver a product, they will return your check, or the funds. Again, that's just IMHO! Now if we were talking about $100 or more, I might feel differently… like when MSS took a year to ship excellence! 1.0… now THAT p*ssed me off. Michael …..on AutoPilot
#61948From: Dominick J. FontanaJul 8, 1992 3:43 AM
Thanks for your assistance, Bob. Dom Fontana
#61664From: Betty Clay/SYSOPJul 5, 1992 2:03 PM
CrossDOS can read PC and Atari disks, but you will have to have something else to read the MAC disks, I believe.
#61734From: Dominick J. FontanaJul 6, 1992 1:50 AM
Betty, Thanks for the info. A number of responses indicated that CrossDOS would do what I wanted, but I didn't think it would read Mac disks. Since I asked about reading IBM, Atari, AND Mac disks, a response that says CrossDOS will do what I want, indicates to me that it will read Mac disks, but I don't think that's the case. From all the suggestions, I will order CrossDOS today. Assuming it doesn't read Mac disks, do you have any suggestions on that? Thanks. Dom Fontana
#61766From: ICD, Inc.Jul 6, 1992 2:50 PM
You may think I am kidding, but buying a used Mac Classic or SE and using Apple File Exchange to copy mac files to MS-DOS disks may be the easiest way to do the exchange.
#61950From: Dominick J. FontanaJul 8, 1992 3:46 AM
ICD, >…buying a used Mac Classic or SE…< How can that be? Even if it's easier, it certainly won't be cheaper. I'd also have to copy the Mac file to MS-DOS and then copy it to AmigaDOS, so it also doesn't seem easier. Could you elaborate, please? Dom Fontana
#61978From: ICD, Inc.Jul 8, 1992 1:56 PM
Depends on how easily and cheaply you can get a dedicated mac drive and software, and whether or not you can read the density of Mac disk you get. Besides, a used mac can server other purposes.
#62017From: Malcolm O'BrienJul 8, 1992 11:02 PM
Dom, CrossDOS has you covered for IBM & Atari. I do both of those with it. Mac-2-DOS and a Mac drive will be required to read the Mac disks. I think that AMAX (or a real Mac) would be overkill. Malcolm
#62036From: Dominick J. FontanaJul 9, 1992 3:58 AM
Malcolm, Thanks for the info. I decided to get CrossDOS and Mac-2-DOS. I may have someone who is selling a Mac drive, so I'll be all set. Dom Fontana
#62154From: Richard BeausangJul 10, 1992 10:38 AM
Dom, I use both AMax and Mac-2-Dos to transfer files. Since you don't need emulation Mac-2-Dos is may be the way to go. It's about $100, you can probably find it cheaper, and it works fine for transferring files to floppies. However, you also need a Mac compatable floppy drive to use it. For the Dos and Atari stuff, CrossDos is really good, but CrossDos5 isn't shipping yet. There's a program here on CIS, MLDOS.LHA, I think, that should suit your purposes. – Richard
#62222From: Dominick J. FontanaJul 11, 1992 2:31 AM
Richard, Thanks for the info. I called Consultron and they expect CrossDOS 5 to ship in two weeks. Dom Fontana