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#38135From: PHIL RAMAZZINAJan 26, 1993 10:45 PM
I am interested in a comment from anyone who has the Encarta version of the Encyclopedia. I have the software toolworks version and then tried to Grollers version. As nearly as I can tell these are the same. They have the same sounds,pictures, and information. The information matches the AEE on compuserve. I am wondering if the Microsoft verson is very different and worth the $.
#38198From: Jim ClementsJan 27, 1993 1:37 PM
Phil, the Grolier and Software Tool Works encyclopedias are indeed the same. The two companies have what STW calls an "alliance." STW is the OEM publisher and world distributor for Grolier. Encarta isn't out yet, look for it in March/May. Going by what I saw at COMDEX, and by other Microsoft CD-ROM titles such as Bookshelf MM, Cinemania, Beethoven etc., I would say it will be quite a product. My concern is that it is based on the Funk and Wagnall's — which I don't hold in high opion. Microsoft says they've updated/added thousands of articles so it might be okay. Cheers!
#38406From: PHIL RAMAZZINAJan 28, 1993 11:16 PM
Its interesting to follow the thread of replies to what CD ENCYCLOPAEDIA is better. There were a lot of replies.
#38290From: Katherine CochraneJan 27, 1993 10:27 PM
Another CD encyclopedia which has gotten a lot of attention is Compton's Interactive Encyclopedia. It's available on platforms from Mac & PC to CD-I. The interface is very good, and the content is probably meatier than Grolier's. I found Grolier's to be very superficial, but it is intended more for the primary school level. Compton's is what I'd consider middle to high school material. I'm just waiting for the Britannica to come out on CD(s) in an interactive, hyperlinked format. Kathy <<– The One-Off CD Shop MidSouth, Inc.
#38315From: Jim ClementsJan 28, 1993 6:37 AM
Katherine, I have Grolier's and Compton's Interactive and my assessment would be the opposite. I find Compton's written to a younger user with what I would call almost a "Gee whiz!" style. Could you give me some examples of articles where you've found Grolier's to be superficial compared to Compton's? I'd like to run through them for my own interest — for some darn reason I just haven't had the time to read all the articles in both encyclopedias yet. Who said computers would make things easier? <G> Seriously, you are the first person I've seen say that so I would like to make a comparison. Cheers!
#38324From: Bill LutholtzJan 28, 1993 8:12 AM
Jim — Best way to compare these two encyclopedias is to take a look at their paper-based counterparts. Most public libraries will have both on the shelves in their reference section. You're correct, BTW…Compton's IS aimed at the younger market and always has been. Grolier's is aimed at the high school-to-adult market. Grolier's is a good general-purpose encyclopedia for people who don't want/need the all-inclusive, mega-articles of Britannica III. Compton's is more of a late-elementary through middle-school product, which Britannica bought to provide a complimentary product to their flagship after they dropped the old "Britannica Junior." –Bill
#38356From: Jim ClementsJan 28, 1993 4:34 PM
Thank you, Bill. I agree with your assessment of the two encyclopedias — not sure if I totally agree that the best way to compare is to look at the paper-based counterparts. Now with animation and audio etc. the paper and CD-ROM versions are becoming very different animals indeed. That is more true with Compton's than with the Grolier as yet. And hopefully it will be even more true with the Funk and Wagnall's-based Encarta. Never was very impressed with it. Cheers!
#38460From: Dennis McDonald, OnlineJan 29, 1993 8:49 AM
Concerning the best way to compare the encyclopedias is to compare their paper versions — egads! Don't say that! -Dennis McDonald (I'm with Online Computer Systems — retrieval software developer for DOS, Windows, and Mac versions of Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia).
#38490From: Jim ClementsJan 29, 1993 2:18 PM
Your message: "Concerning the best way to compare the encyclopedias is to compare their paper versions — egads! Don't say that!" Heh, heh. Alright Dennis, I won't. In fact I didn't. I think the comments you might have seen were either made by someone else or were my reply to them. My statement was that the paper/CD-ROM versions of the encyclopedias are really different animals. In the case of Funk and Wagnall's/Encarta I hope very different animals. Fear not, I think your job is safe for the nonce. <G>
#38359From: Gerard GleesonJan 28, 1993 4:49 PM
Bill, The way I always judge large reference works is to look up some subject that I know lots abot and see if they are on the mark there. Also, I don't agree that Britannica has "all-inclusive, mega-articles" – all encyclopedias are simplifications for the mass market and all (even on electronic media) are out of date. That's my opionated view anyway <g>. Regards, Gerard.
#38514From: Jim DivokyJan 29, 1993 9:20 PM
>> encyclopedias are simplifications for the mass market and all (even >> on electronic media) are out of date. Definitely agree. I lost a lot of faith in encyclopediae back in the mid-'60s when I occasionally wrote articles for an encyclopedia that shall remain nameless since I'm not positive of the name. It seems a local professor was subcontracting out work to people like myself- literate, reasonably bright, but absolutely without credentials. The easiest way to crank out these articles was to read three other encyclopediae, take notes, and regurgitate a new article. Of course, for 3 cents a word you tried not to spend too much time doing research. Jim
#38371From: Katherine CochraneJan 28, 1993 7:14 PM
Jim, Can I get back to you on that? Don't want to put you off, but I've got tax junk to do tonight and tomorrow, then a major presentation to assemble for next week. If I don't put something up about it within a week or so, please remind me. Kathy
#38407From: PHIL RAMAZZINAJan 28, 1993 11:20 PM
Its interesting to follow the thread of comments on this subject. It looks like eveyone would like to have someting better and is disappointed with the content of what is available. I am suprized that compurserve doesn't have more than the AAE available (IQUEST is to expensive).
#38429From: Katherine CochraneJan 29, 1993 2:00 AM
I think you have to look at the economics where CIS is concerned regarding what they make available in the basic services. AAE is pretty basic stuff, but who's going to use it? Probably 4th to 8th grade kids doing homework is my guess (or their parents). To put a reference online as a "free" service requires one that is not going to be in such high demand for outside sales that the online version would compete with them. Is AAE available in computerized form other than as an online database or paper? Kathy
#38447From: Jim ClementsJan 29, 1993 7:41 AM
Re: "Is AAE available in computerized form other than as an online database or paper?" Katherine, the AAE (American Academic Encyclopedia) is the Grolier's we've been talking about. Cheers!
#38571From: Katherine CochraneJan 30, 1993 11:37 AM
Welllllllllll….. Guess my ignorance is hanging out for all to see. TFTI. Kathy
#38580From: Jim ClementsJan 30, 1993 12:31 PM
Katherine Cochrane wrote: "Welllllll…..(etc.)" Kathy, that very definitely was not my intention. If it makes you feel any better I had to check my files to make sure I was correct in my own assumption. Cheers!
#38607From: Katherine CochraneJan 30, 1993 9:50 PM
Jim, Very kind of you to say so. I do sometimes pop off without checking my facts, and I shouldn't, of course. But I don't mind admitting it if I'm wrong. Thanks, Kathy
#38438From: Allen DietzJan 29, 1993 6:14 AM
> I'm just waiting for the Britannica to come out on CD(s) in an > interactive, hyperlinked format. Katherine, I was walking around in a local mall recently and was accosted by one of those Britannica salespersons insisting that my life wouldn't be worth contemplating anymore without a set of his books. I asked when Britannica was going to come out on CD-ROM. He looked at me, turned and waved his arms in a sweeping motion across the shelves of books, and said "Now, you don't think there's any way they could get all these books on one of those tiny little disks, do you?" I told him I'd wait until "they" figured out a way. Allen
#38448From: Jim ClementsJan 29, 1993 7:41 AM
Allen, I believe the problem isn't getting "all these books on one of those tiny little disks." Well, maybe two tiny little discs. I think the real problem is how to get the salesman into your house with one of those tiny little discs — and a CD-ROM player, and a 386+ computer, and a keyboard, and a monitor and a…. I can see Britannica bundling the disc(s) with their own drive and sending salesmen into homes with the tiny little disc, the drive with an external interface — and the standard two hour sales pitch. No matter what happens I think you can count on the two hour in-home sales pitch (and very high sales commission) for some time yet. People think the OED has a neat way to keep their prices up. It is nothing compared to Britannica. Cheers!
#38461From: Dennis McDonald, OnlineJan 29, 1993 8:54 AM
Don't overestimate the difficulty of doing demos with a portable CD-ROM system. I do it all the time. My latest system is an NCR 3170 Safari sub-notebook computer with a cable-attached battery operated CD-ROM drive — the CD-ROM drive is bigger than the computer!
#38462From: larry buckmasterJan 29, 1993 9:06 AM
Ohhhhhh! Tell us about the interface please. Are you running SCSI out of a parallel port? OR……?
#38491From: Jim ClementsJan 29, 1993 2:18 PM
Hello again, Dennis. Oh, I don't overestimate the difficulty of doing demos with a "portable" CD-ROM system. My point was taking a computer plus "tiny little disc" into the home. It was made somewhat tongue-in-cheek — I guess I'll have to start using more "smilies" in my copy :-). Okay? Still, I think while portables are already substantial sales tools, it is going to be a while before they get into the home encyclopedia sales area because of their screens. Why? Well may you ask! The LCD screens I've seen so far are fine if you are right in front of them but in a home setting the family would have to get far closer to the salesman than I have ever wanted to get to any salesman — just to see the screen. 🙂 <———– Please note! Cheers!
#38572From: Katherine CochraneJan 30, 1993 11:38 AM
I guess Huntsville gets a more technologically aware class of encyclopedia salesmen — when I asked one at last year's IEEE computer show that question, he said they're working on it, but the hyperlinks were just going to be so all-ecompassing that it is taking awhile to develop it. It would be interesting to know if in fact there really is such a project. Kathy