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#Floppy Drives

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#106061From: Chris L. PerhayJul 4, 1993 12:53 PM
I have a couple of quick questions about Amiga floppy drives. 1: Are the drives internally the same as the 3.5" drives used for IBM's (and clones). 2: And if they are, is it possible to replace the low density drives with high density ones. I have a A500 with a CMD 1010 external drive thats acting up. I would love to make it a high density drive if possible. Chris…
#106067From: Christopher TolmieJul 4, 1993 2:03 PM
Chris, No, IBM and Amiga drives are different. If you want a HD floppy drive for your Amiga you'll have to try and order one from a C= distributor. It is a specially designed drive that slows down its rotation speed when writing to HD disks. Good luck in finding one, I've been trying now for some six months or longer. Christopher
#106100From: Ronald B. RomineJul 4, 1993 8:00 PM
CP: Are the drives internally the same as the 3.5" drives used for IBM's (and clones). The "raw" DSDD drive mechanisms are, but the cabling & interface is different. The most common drive used for the Amiga is the Chinon FZ-357, and the Chinon FB-357. You do have to be careful, not all DSDD drives are designed to the same specs. This one reason that some third party drives starting failing under ADOS2.0 & 3.0, changes in the newer trackdisk.device(s) caused drives that were at the edge of specs to fall outside of specs. CP: And if they are, is it possible to replace the low density drives with high density ones. No. The Amiga uses a special "dual-speed" HiD drive. The Chinon FB-357a, and FZ-357a drives are the Amiga HiD drives. The Amiga's built-in floppy controller is a little dated. While it can read MFM, and GCR, in IBM, ST, and (the six) Amiga formats, it can handle only DSDD standard of ~250Kps of data at 300rpm of the floppy. The IBM HiD floppies transfer ~512Kps at 300rpm. The Amiga HiD floppy works by doing ~250Kps at 300rpm, and 250kps at 150prm, which the Amiga can handle. Ron. – ap'ing with AP. (Eagles may fly, but weasels aren't sucked into jet engines.)
#106143From: Chris L. PerhayJul 5, 1993 9:40 AM
Thanks Ron, Now, if I were to get ahold of a Amiga HiD drive, what would it take to get it to work with my 500? Or would it even be worth the effort? Chris…
#106365From: Ronald B. RomineJul 7, 1993 12:28 AM
There is an project/article by Phillip Combs, in the July 1993 (vol. 8, no. 7) issue of "Amazing Computing" magazine, that explains what is needed, and how to install either an internal or external HiD floppy in both the A500 and A2000. Ron. – ap'ing with AP. (Eagles may fly, but weasels aren't sucked into jet engines.)
#106446From: Steve SetzerJul 7, 1993 7:13 PM
Ronald, Have you tried this HD floppy mod that is in Amazing? I have a used hd drive on the way (from a 3000) that I plan to install in my 2000, and use the Amazing article as the guideline. I am a little anxious as to all the `corrections' I see in the following issue. Although this mod looks fairly straight forward (biggest prob is moving eject button) I plan to follw the article to the letter. …Steve ====>>> Motorola 68030 Inside <<<====
#106481From: Ronald B. RomineJul 7, 1993 11:41 PM
I haven't tried the HiD mod. I don't have a HiD, and getting one will have to wait until after I get an A1200 RAM expander, and a Hard drive. Ron. – ap'ing with AP. (Eagles may fly, but weasels aren't sucked into jet engines.)
#106212From: Jul 5, 1993 5:23 PM
Ron, actually CBMs own A1010 Amiga drives failed under 2.04 when copying a lot of files to a disk! They fixed it by Setpatch V38.31 (ADOS 2.1). Regards, J0RGEN ….from DENMARK
#106234From: Richard EricksonJul 5, 1993 10:07 PM
Are you saying the 1010's broke under 2.04 until the release of 2.1? Richard -> via the Amiga 1000 AutoPilot
#106312From: Jul 6, 1993 4:54 PM
Not really broke, but if you would copy several files from your hard disk to the floppy (e.g. Copy DF1FILES:#? DF1:) then it would corrupt the floppy disk (block 880 and 881). You would have to copy each file separately, but copying a large file would also cause the problem. By the way I have been running 2.04 and 2.1 on my A1000 for a year now using the Kwikstart II board which allows both the 2.04 ROM and the 1.3 ROM to be installed in the A1000. Only to be recommended (but be careful when installing it. The legs break off easily). Regards, J0RGEN ….from DENMARK
#106353From: Roy PahnkeJul 6, 1993 11:02 PM
J0RGEN – Out of curiosity — How often do you actually switch back to Wb1.3? Is it as often as you thought you would or (as I would suspect) very little? OnLine since 1982 Roy Pahnke – Casper WY
#106416From: Jul 7, 1993 12:26 PM
Roy, very little, and definitely not as often as I believed, I would, but then again I don't have many games, and that is where I sometimes have to switch back. Regards, J0RGEN ….from DENMARK
#106377From: Richard EricksonJul 7, 1993 2:23 AM
I never ran into that problem and I have had a 1010 with 2.04 until 6 months ago when I moved up to 2.1, so I was kind of surprised to hear that. I didn't go the Kwikstart route because I wanted the ECS, ROM socket and I didn't want to start unsoldering that one PAL chip. Richard -> via the Amiga 1000 AutoPilot
#106366From: Ronald B. RomineJul 7, 1993 12:28 AM
True, some of CBM's own A1010 drives did fail. I, myself, had a third party drive that stopped working with 2.0, but works well enough with 2.1 & 3.0. Ron. – ap'ing with AP. (Eagles may fly, but weasels aren't sucked into jet engines.)
#106417From: Jul 7, 1993 12:26 PM
Yes, both my internal and external A1010 failed. Regards, J0RGEN ….from DENMARK
#106119From: Betty Clay/SYSOPJul 4, 1993 11:54 PM
The Amiga disks are not the same as IBM disks. Several years ago, people were creating boards to go in the drives to make them work, but I've not seen one of those articles in a long time. I think people decided that it just wasn't worth it. —Betty