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#50675From: Christophe Van OyenJul 22, 1993 4:39 PM
Thanks for your advice, its interesting to hear from someone on the otherside off the globe how you work. In Belgium the building sector is in a small crisis, mostly in industrial, appartement, and government sponsored building projects. So far the bureau I work in has been spared, because we even had an increase in work compared to 1992. We are a small bureau, we are 3, My father also an architect is the boss, then you have me, and a third architect working with us. (My grandfather also was an architect he employed 10 people once) We do a lot off private housing, but I've been in Canada (Expo 86 Vancouver) and it is different here, everyone who builds a house is obliged to go to an architect to make a plan for their house (this is law), although 90procent of the work goes to about 10procent of the architects. Next to that we are specialised in elderly homes and psychiatrical institutions for our larger projects. We also are protected by the order of architects, we have to ask at least a minimum fee, for the larger projects this is no problem, for housing however a lot of the architects work under that level cheating in fact, but you have to sometimes to get work. For housing we get 7 procent, for larger projects 6 to 4 procent depending on the costs of the project. Getting back to 3Dstudio, the images impress our clients more then a plastic model would do, you really can sell modern architecture much more easily through photorealistic images. People are always difficult to convince for modern architecture if they do not see an image, even a model doe not always help, but an computer image overbluffs them :-). By the end of the year I'll probably be able to tell you more about how I'm getting on to sell my product, so I'll keep in touch to let you know my progress. I have on advantage I'm the only architect in about a 50 km radius working with 3Dstudio and the userclub I'm in is prepared to send architects in my region to me if they want such images. By for now Christophe Van Oyen
#50951From: Andrew McClaryJul 23, 1993 11:20 PM
As a former architect, I started into animation doing architectural renderings and animations. Adter devoting my entire time to animation instead of architecture I have found that architects are the biggest pain in the neck to do animations or renderings for. No disrespect to any of them, I used to be one, but they usually want a lot for very little. The other problem is that most of the ones that use animation companies instead of doing it in house, have very little understanding of the work that goes into an animation or rendering. The majority of my clients are now outside of the architectural proffesion. Though I take on a few now in then because I still love drawing buildings, but they rarely make me much money. By the way, I think that Belgiun (sp?) architects have the right idea by getting laws to protect their proffesion. I see to many architects selling their soles with long hours and lots of talent for peanuts. This is even more true in hard times.
#50982From: Christophe Van OyenJul 24, 1993 5:04 AM
Hi Andrew, I know architects are difficult to work for as well, because I'm one myself and I also always want the very best for the cheapest price, if possible. I'm not only trying to envisage architects to make renderings for, but I'll think I'll have to start with them, as I know a lot of them. By the way which other sectors or people you work for, it might be interesting to know maybe it might give me some ideas. I was thinking to try to get in the immobilien sector here, I have a few contacts, and some might be interested. The most difficult thing remains to get started. But I will not be able to do this as my sole profession, as my architectural bureau has work left know for at least 10 years to come, so I would be a fool to let this drop away. But as not many people overhere have the scills to work with 3Dstudio, I'll like to use my knowledge to have some extra income. By the way it is Belgium, Europe, capital Brussels. We are the only country in Europe where the profession of an architect is so well protected. But we have been under attack for the past years, mostly from building companies (who only build houses) who think we are an obstacle to their profits. But we did strike back, now they even need 2 architects, one working for them and one working for their client unattached to their firm. The advantage is that be for plans can be submitted to the city council they have to accompanied by form from the order of architects which can see if the architect drawing those plans is inscribed, otherwise he can not submit any plans. Christophe
#51008From: Jul 24, 1993 11:33 AM
Christophe and Andrew: Maybe we could start a club of architects who now do animations and don't like working for architects! Greg (charter member) Pyros, AIA
#51078From: Ted BoardmanJul 25, 1993 6:05 AM
Greg Sign me up for that club as long as you don't tell the AIA enforcement goons that I'm not really an architect. (No education to overcome). TedB
#51083From: Jul 25, 1993 9:53 AM
Ted: >> don't tell the AIA enforcement goons that I'm not really an architect Sorry, Ted, but I don't think you qualify. Remember, the main reason for the club is to unlearn all that college education and licensing requirements and study to help make ex-architects productive members of society. If you haven't been through it, you are obviously way too far ahead of us already, and we'd just hold you back! Perhaps you could help us by chairing our AAA meetings (Architectural Alcoholics Anonymous), the first of which will be at the Anaheim Marriott on Sunday, August 1, in Gambits at 7:30pm! Greg Pyros
#51171From: Christophe Van OyenJul 26, 1993 5:00 AM
Why not, but we should'nt through all our collegues over the same shoulder, some of them are also good to work for. By the way what is a "charter member", what AIA ?? Christophe Van Oyen
#51187From: Jul 26, 1993 10:21 AM
Christophe: >> By the way what is a "charter member", what AIA ?? Charter member is one of the founders of the group, the word comes from one who signed the original charter of the organization. AIA stands for the American Institute of Architects, the professional organization here in the 'States which requires you to be a licensed architect to join. >> Why not TedB is far too intelligent to be associated with a group like that on a permanent basis, but I've heard that he will give presentations to us when he's in town! Greg Pyros
#51206From: Christophe Van OyenJul 26, 1993 11:39 AM
Hi Greg, >> >> Why not >> TedB is far too intelligent to be associated with a group like that >> on a permanent basis, but I've heard that he will give >> presentations to us when he's in town! Could you explain to me what you mean by that, because I have no clue. I'm interested in getting more contact with AIA, I'm boardmember of NAV (Nationaal Architekten Verbond) the largest Belgian professional architects organisations (this is not the order of architects but more or less something like a trade-union for architects), we give service to all our members (about 800 architects in Flanders), we have our own magazine, we take part in Fairs, etc … and every board member has specific tasks, I'm representative for the younger architects and one of the members responsible for the promotion of our profession. I'm thinking if I can get contact it could enrich our magazine, maybe vice versa. Christophe Van Oyen
#51219From: Jul 26, 1993 12:05 PM
Christophe: You'd have to meet TedB to understand. (Ever see a video of ZZ Top?) A true character, and wonderful 3D artist. There must be a way for you to contact the proper people at the AIA national chapter, which is located in Washington, DC. The phone number I have is (202) 626-7438, which may not be the right extension, but they could probably give you the proper one from there. Good luck, Greg Pyros
#51253From: Ted BoardmanJul 26, 1993 4:24 PM
Greg I will be sure to give a presentation of my intelligence after a few cold ones in Gambits.<G and D>rool. TedB
#51286From: Jul 26, 1993 10:22 PM
Ted: Looking forward to it! GregP
#51119From: Andrew McClaryJul 25, 1993 4:29 PM
I was under the impression that they have similair lawws in Denmark. We had a visiting proffesor from there when I was in school. Other markets that you might try getting into that relate to architecture is engineering and product designers. It is often easier to model and animate a new idea or concept than produce a prototype. Other markets include forensic animations for courtroom litigation, training tapes for industry, as well as broadcast commercials. (The latter requires either a large investment in equipment or a good output service. Always interested in hearing from architects from other countries. My true love will always be designing space, be it cyberspace or architecture. Andrew