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#154827From: Dale LarsonJul 1, 1994 3:12 PM
If the Bahamian Supreme Court is the only entity with accurate knowledge of the details, then whether they choose to divuldge the details extends their "juristiction" to the US. Dale L. Larson, Intangible Assets Manufacturing "Are you f'ing crazy?" "No, I'm just marking my territory." – Wolf
#154907From: RICHARD POWELLJul 2, 1994 8:38 AM
To ALL. As a newcomer to Compuserve I have spent the last few weeks reading through the various Forums and especially this one. With all the doom and gloom that is being expressed at the moment about the current state of Commodore I would just like to say that over here in North West Europe there is a very strong Amiga Community. This community is backed up by various Mail Order companies, numerous magazines, PD+Shareware libaries and also Third Party manufactures for the Amiga. The AMIGA was and is still I am afraid regarded by a lot of people as a Games machine, but this so called games machine has sold in the 10,000s over here and the user base will of course be for playing games but also there are those who may have bought their AMIGA to play games with originaly but have soon discoverd its potential in graphics, music, DTP etc. I first started getting into computers in 1985 with the C64 and then progressed onto the AMIGA in 1987, there are thousands like me who are and will be in the future committed to the AMIGA. It seems that it doesnt take the brains of a Rocket Scientist to come to the conclusion that there is still a market for the AMIGA world wide, this msg forum proves that the interest is still there so come on you hard headed buisiness men get out your cheques books buy Commodore and put the AMIGA back into the spotlight once again. You know it makes sense!!! Richard ( Cornwall England )
#154982From: Greg MalcangiJul 2, 1994 7:37 PM
<buy Commodore and put the AMIGA back into the spotlight once again. You know it makes sense!!!> You sure your name is Richard. Sounds more like Del Trotter to me!! Greg
#154988From: ROBERT K. MCCONEGHYJul 2, 1994 8:35 PM
See if you can get Prince Charles to buy Commodore. He has lots of money. Maybe he can get his mum to chip in too 🙂
#155286From: NathanJul 5, 1994 3:18 PM
Hope he doesn't literally have his mother "CHIP IN" <-Cheap pun. Which is better for heating up frozen dinner, Power PC or Pentium? Nathan Jones, via amiga autopilot. –FLAME ON!–
#155042From: Wayne ColeJul 3, 1994 3:31 AM
Richard, There is a possibility that the Amiga may go on. The downside is that it may continue as only a video/graphics/game machine. In spite of the fact that I use it to make a living in video, I would prefer it to make it as a general purpose machine. If someone of the size of Samsung took it over then, in theory they could pay to have MS Office or the Borland office suite and PhotoShop ported to the Amiga with "introductory" package deals to get the public awareness of the machine up to the level of at least Mac level. Or they could be content to try to dominate verticle markets like video and MM (which Mac and MS are putting a full court press on penetrating, at this point). I think at this point it is safe to say that the Amiga is taking the mandatory 8-count. It'll be another month before we know if the ref or ring-side doctor stops the fight or not. wmc – via Autopilot!
#155285From: NathanJul 5, 1994 3:18 PM
C= is incorporated in the bahamas, while all development is in the US, 'tis like a chicken w/its head cut off. Which is better for heating up frozen dinner, Power PC or Pentium? Nathan Jones, via amiga autopilot. –FLAME ON!–
#154929From: Jim ButterfieldJul 2, 1994 12:07 PM
" .. whether they choose to divulge the details extends their 'jurisdiction' to the US". What in the world is this intended to mean? Jurisdiction over US courts? Jurisdiction over US government? Why the US? No "jurisdiction", whatever that means, over Canada, Korea, Germany, the UK? You must be taking some position ("This is good" .. "This is bad" .. "This is hilarious") but I don't see it. –Jim
#155012From: Steve AhlstromJul 3, 1994 12:00 AM
If this is such a big deal, and you believe AmigaWorld knows but isn't saying (which is what the recording implies), why don't you pick up the phone, give them a call, and ask why they won't reveal the names? Why quibble with Dale over the matter? -sja
#155080From: Jim ButterfieldJul 3, 1994 2:28 PM
"If this is such a big deal…" No big deal. Just wondered what Dale was trying to say. ".. you believe AmigaWorld knows but isn't saying .." Have no opinions either way. Just wondered what Dale was trying to say. "Why quibble with Dale over the matter?" I wasn't quibbling. Just wondered what he was trying to say. –Jim
#155086From: Dale LarsonJul 3, 1994 4:46 PM
Did you figure it out, or do I still sound like an idiot? 🙂 Dale L. Larson Intangible Assets Manufacturing (info@iam.com) "That's the best part about being crazy. You see things no one else can see."
#155088From: Jim ButterfieldJul 3, 1994 5:12 PM
Your reply was good, Dale, and I see better what you're getting at. The comments by Steve, however, do make me wonder if something else was intended that wasn't said. Let me try this on for size: which of the following statements most closely match what your earlier message was trying to say? (Hypothetical messages follow: do NOT take these as statements of opinion on anyone's part): 1. "Looks like the Bahamian Supreme Court, whose jurisdiction formally goes no further than that cluster of islands, has the power to keep US users in the dark. Pity about that". 2. "If Amiga World knows but refuses to say because of a Bahamian Supreme Court ruling, then they must somehow feel that a US firm is subject to the jurisdiction of a foreign court". (End of hypothetical messages). I had thought that your message meant something like (1), in which case I would mildly complain that, hey, it's more than just US users that are being kept in the dark .. after all, your message was directed to a user outside the US. The possibility of your meaning (2) had not occurred to me at all until I read Steve's reply. That would have some interesting aspects: for example, if a US entity felt that it was somehow within the reach of Bahamian court judgments, would that also apply to other countries such as those in Europe, or Canada? Heck, there has recently been a celebrated publication ban made by a Canadian court that has been cheerfully ignored by the US media. Pick 1, 2, neither or both. Wouldn't want to put words in your mouth. I just wanted to know what you were saying. And I trust you didn't feel that I was quibbling. –Jim
#155096From: Dale LarsonJul 3, 1994 7:33 PM
I meant something like 1. It was in response to a message which talked about US users in the dark, but I realize it keeps world-wide users in the dark. 2. sounds reasonable, though. If AW had reporters in the Bahamas who got info from the Bahamian court, AW might have trouble reporting that info if ordered not to. What if those reporters step foot in the Bahamas again? Would they be subject to some punitive action? I know about the Canadian media ban thing. If a U.S. reporter flew to Canada to research something, came back here to publish it, then flew back to do more research, I wonder what the Canadians would think. Nah, I didn't feel you were quibbling. I get a little abrupt with my responses sometimes. I should probably either take more time to explain myself better or spend less time on here (generate fewer postings). 🙂 Dale L. Larson Intangible Assets Manufacturing (info@iam.com) "That's the best part about being crazy. You see things no one else can see."
#155192From: Jim ButterfieldJul 4, 1994 2:25 PM
I suppose that on theory 2 (maybe AW reporters know, but feel they can't speak) you could also speculate that AW might fear having their information tap turned off if they blabbed. No matter .. we'll find out sooner or later. On that Canadian news blackout, by the way, I understand that the court permitted only Canadian reporters to attend .. and then muzzled them. (Hey, that conjures up an interesting visual picture, doesn't it)? –Jim
#155246From: Chris LesterJul 5, 1994 8:11 AM
I'm thinking that you were just tring to figure out what Dale was trying to say, yes? <g,r,&d> Chris – Fast and Low on my '020! Virus Scan: MS-Windows Detected. Delete (y/Y)?
#155046From: Dale LarsonJul 3, 1994 4:47 AM
I put juristiction in quotes because, while they can't make laws in the US, whether they can is irrelevant. They have the info. No one else does. They said they aren't giving out the info. So no one can get the info, whether they are in the Bahamas or in the US or anywhere else. My point was the irrelevancy of "juristiction" in this instance. Dale L. Larson Intangible Assets Manufacturing (info@iam.com) "That's the best part about being crazy. You see things no one else can see."
#155159From: Sam YatesJul 4, 1994 10:06 AM
Gday, >> If the Bahamian Supreme Court is the only entity with accurate >> knowledge of the details, then whether they choose to divuldge the details >> extends their "juristiction" to the US. Yes, I understand that. But Steve's transcript of the Amiga World message said: >> These company's identities cannot be made public, according to AmigaWorld, >> because of a court order by the Bahamian Supreme Court. And Ralph Raphelson's transcript in the C= Hotline thread said: >> 2. One has already done so. About six others have expressed an interest. >> AW legally prohibited from naming them. The transcript didn't say "We don't know", it said (paraphrasing) "We can't tell you" (which implies that they do know but won't tell because of a court order). I can fully understand them not being able to find out, but why not say so? Or did they say "We don't know" and the transcriptions were paraphrased? Sam Yates Montrose, Victoria, Australia. samyates@werple.apana.org.au