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#Targa 2000

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#111518From: Martin BowringJul 6, 1994 5:58 PM
Is anyone using the Targa 2000 for animation work. I have had one for a few weeks now. The potential is great but I am having some serious problems with the software drivers and utilities. Would love to get some feedback from other users. Martin Bowring – Martin Bowring, Written 06-Jul-1994 @ 23:56:50 Using: Windows NavCIS PRO 1.21
#111612From: Accu-WeatherJul 7, 1994 7:55 AM
We have one but I only have limited access to it and not much experience on it. After posting inquiries on the Truevision forum, there seems to be no/very few utilities for it; nothing akin to Targa+ LOADTGA, SAVETGA, TTSHOW, etc. (if you're familiar w/ T+). I'm trying like mad to get permanent access to it; so far no luck. Post some msgs on their forum; GO TRUEVISION.
#111667From: Martin BowringJul 7, 1994 12:39 PM
It appears that there are still very few boards shipping. My dealer told me it was shipping but when deliveries slipped I started shouting, presumably load enough to get some action. There is limited activity on the TRUEVISION forum as I suspect most current models are in the hands of developers. I am an end user and am interested primarily in the basic functions of the shipped software, namely Premiere 1.1, the DVCR windows player and the 3DSTAR.IXP IPAS, and particularly in the playback and editing of animations. It is possible to create Targa .DVM movie files directly from 3D Studio using 3DSTAR and playback through the DVCR. I am still trying to sort out my disk system but at a data rate of 2.2 MB/s the quality of output from the hardware is great via this route. The .DVM can be converted to a .AVI and then edited in Premiere. Full video/audio editing is possible and by pulling in live scenes it should be possible to produce very high quality video productions on PC, and master to your chosen format. That is the theory, in practice there are still many bugs and incomplete functions which are causing me a lot of frustration and it is not possible to produce a quality edited project. I work in PAL and Truevision have aknowledged there are problems, but have not sorted them. Probably NTSC is better developed. If I posted a list of problems perhaps you could compare your experiences. Martin Bowring – Martin Bowring, Written 07-Jul-1994 @ 18:35:22 Using: Windows NavCIS PRO 1.21
#111791From: Accu-WeatherJul 8, 1994 7:00 AM
>perhaps you could compare your experiences.< No problem. The DVCR player works well; this is an audio/video sol'n which is very nice. (An aside: does the Illuminator Pro/Max combo support audio playback? John T, you there?) 3DSTAR.IXP? What is this? Premiere 1.1 for Win: I've had a _little_ hands on. I think it's slightly scaled back from the Mac version. Have you had any problems w/ horiz. "spikeyness" w/ field rendered anims? i.e. moving objects show their fields? I had problems w/ that; I'm not sure if it was just a setting I was missing. I have heard their PAL is not quite ready yet.
#111867From: John TissavaryJul 8, 1994 5:48 PM
The MAX does not _yet_ do audio playback, but that's an application that's currently being written. I think it may be ready for preveiwing by Siggraph. John Tissavary (LUNA cie)
#112118From: Accu-WeatherJul 11, 1994 6:38 AM
More & more this Siggraph is shaping up to be a real winner; can't wait. Thanks for the reply.
#112143From: Yost GroupJul 11, 1994 10:19 AM
Wait till ya'll see the demo reel. It's FORTY-ONE MINUTES LONG. <g> And everyone at the party gets one! – G
#112338From: Accu-WeatherJul 12, 1994 6:34 AM
You can name it… ah… _Way_ Beyond the Mind's Eye.<g>. II even!
#112164From: Martin BowringJul 11, 1994 11:29 AM
>>3DSTAR.IXP? What is this? It is a 3D Studio IPAS which renders through Video Post to the Truevision .DVM format. This works well once you have field order and data rates sorted out and it produces excellent real time playback. It requires to have the 2000 installed so for longer renders go out to sequential files (with fields on) then back through video post. It was included in the latest software update. >>Have you had any problems w/ horiz. "spikeyness" w/ field rendered anims? i.e. moving objects show their fields? This is still a major problem, which I don't fully understand and Truevision won't expand on. I felt that there was some sort of vertical misalignment of alternate field lines causing the very distracting "spikeyness" you refer too. Probably it is something to do with the way the .DVM is processed. I did a number of simple tests using 3DSTAR and Premiere, testing all combinations of file generation. I concluded that it was essential to render in fields, not frames, and that the field orders for 3DSTAR and Premiere were different. Not very handy! With the correct settings it is possible to create animations with 3DSTAR and edit in Premiere using the latest software. >>I have heard their PAL is not quite ready yet. I think you may be correct. Even with these problems I am still pleased with the performance of the Targa 2000 and it is getting a lot of interest from my clients. I would have liked the option of a PAR but the PAL version is not available yet. Martin Bowring – Martin Bowring, Written 11-Jul-1994 @ 17:26:45 Using: Windows NavCIS PRO 1.21
#112339From: Accu-WeatherJul 12, 1994 6:41 AM
3DSTAR.IXP…was included in the latest software update. Latest update of 3DS or T2000? and is it available here? I'll check the lib. today. Thanks for the rest of the info. It'd be nice to see this board get established as widely as the T+ did as far as utility developments.
#112444From: Martin BowringJul 12, 1994 2:01 PM
I got it direct from the UK distributor. It may yet be a Beta release. All the drivers including Premiere codecs appear to be Truevision's responsibility and certainly the PAL versions are still "evolving". There is a developers toolkit but I haven't yet got round to asking the status or price. I agree that a product like this needs a lot of good software to make it as widely accepted as the Targa+. I understand that a number of developers are working on applications such as non-linear editing, I hope some are working on the more basic utilities to control how files are created and accessed. When I bought the card it was the only (reasonably priced) product to give PAL digital animation playback. I understand the Matrox MAX is now shipping and that the FAST and PAR cards will be around later this year. Then applications will become a real marketing requirement. Martin Bowring – Martin Bowring, Written 12-Jul-1994 @ 19:41:54 Using: Windows NavCIS PRO 1.21
#112618From: Accu-WeatherJul 13, 1994 7:14 AM
…Beta release…. Thanks for the info. Right now the board's pretty much limited to what Premiere for Windows can do. Just a matter of time for the utilities to start appearing.
#112217From: Jul 11, 1994 4:29 PM
What kind of board is the Targa 2000? Is it compatable with anything else? Chuck Walbourn – Vibrant Graphics
#112264From: krazy imagesJul 11, 1994 8:28 PM
It is kind of a rare mix. Part of the DVR technolgy, the Targa 2000 is an EISA board that implements accelerated 24bit high resolution display (so that cover DTP, painting, photo work), video in a window, non-linear realtime video play and capture with 16bit stereo sound at a 10:1 compression ratio. All with different kind of video outputs/inputs. At least, that's what the specs say <g> I am waiting for Siggraph and Don Landis (as the unbiased part on this "battle") to make his report on the MAX, the PAR and the Targa 2000. I think Don to be the most "interested" in researching all the desktop solutions avaliable (that doesn't mean that I won't welcome input from Martin Foster and John Tissivary, the "biased" parts, as well <g>). ana /krazy images
#112384From: Don LandisJul 12, 1994 10:06 AM
Hi Ana: You should consider me somewhat biased at this point as well. I do own a PAR and paid for it just like most do. My bias is that I want the PAR to improve and I think strong competition will do it. The MAX and Targa2000 will be that competition. If the MAX would have performed to Matrox claims last Spring, I think we would have seen the new version of the PAR software (PAR's weakest aspect) on the market by now to stay competitive. DPS is comfortably sitting on the king's throne at this time since they have no real competition. Thanks for the compliments, I'll try not to let you down with my "unbiased reporting" The only problem is that unbiased reporting doesn't pay very well. <BG>
#112460From: krazy imagesJul 12, 1994 3:40 PM
So you are now judge and part, right? <g> I hope to see a lot of reports from everybody at Siggraph this year 🙂 ana /krazy images
#112443From: Martin BowringJul 12, 1994 2:01 PM
It is a single EISA board combining JPEG compression/decompression, audio and video I/O. Unlike the PAR which controls the disks directly, you need a fast disk and controller. There is a detailed description in the Truevision forum. With the board you are able to import/export live video and edit with the supplied Premiere 1.1. More meaningfully for my uses I can playback animations and edit them into complete multimedia presentations with live clips and audio. A lot of the discussions here argue about quality. I am currently able to get sustained data rates of about 2.3 MB/s which is nearing the 10:1 I have seen quoted as Avid's Betacam quality, but I am still trying to sort out my disk setup. For "clean" animations this gives a near perfect playback. The hardware claims to support compression ratios of about 5:1 which should be enough for the most critical eye. Martin Bowring – Martin Bowring, Written 12-Jul-1994 @ 19:28:24 Using: Windows NavCIS PRO 1.21