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#Truevision or Matrox??

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#111810From: Don ConnorsJul 8, 1994 9:52 AM
We're about to get 3DS, but what board is preferred? We need to output to Betacam SP, which we do now with TOPAS through an ATVISTA connected to a Faroudja transcoder. Any thoughts out there on a Truevision vs Matrox board to achieve the same (or better) quality level?? Info appreciated ASAP. Thank you., Don
#111834From: CSA/CAJul 8, 1994 1:52 PM
Don, The AT Vista solution you have will also work just great for 3DS. Particularly the Faroudja. Kevin Krell – Computer Support Associates
#111850From: Frank ZuccaroJul 8, 1994 4:00 PM
We're dealers (and users) of Truevision & Matrox, PAR & MAX (We've had MAX in-house & used it, it's CERTAINLY SUPERIOR in image quality to PAR…which is pretty good, by the way). The Illuminator PRO has it hands down over the AT-VISTA (which I still use). There's no developer kit for the VISTA, the Matrox has DVE, TBC, a software developers kit AND a component out (YUV) board. Plus you can go out D1 with an add on board (Miranda Toccata). Matrox is now shipping the 'B' series of the Illuminator PRO. Also it's part of the suite that makes up MAX.
#111869From: John TissavaryJul 8, 1994 5:48 PM
Thanks for confirming my impressions that the MAX has superior output to the PAR. I though maybe I was going crazy… or blind <g> John Tissavary (LUNA cie)
#112007From: Don LandisJul 10, 1994 12:45 PM
I'm sure the MAX has superior profitability on initial sale compared to the PAR too.
#112082From: MARTIN G FOSTERJul 10, 1994 7:48 PM
Don, >> I'm sure the MAX has superior profitability on initial sale compared to the PAR too. << You really hit the nail on the head there Don. With all due respect to Frank, they would be doing a better service to their customers by showing them DDR's (Accom, Abekas), if the PAR's quality won't cut it. FYI, according to the May '94 AV/Video article about animation recorders, a Windows Interface is in development (not specified whether in-house or 3rd Party). Also, 16-bit sound support, EDL and SMPTE support via a general device interface, and DOS level scripting capability.
#112088From: Paul LindJul 10, 1994 7:57 PM
Martin, Considering how cheap DDR's are, it may not be a far cry from the MAX unit to pick up a DDR. It all depends on what a particular company needs and what type of equipment they already have, but there are possitives and negatives to both pieces of equipment and I'd say the only real difference is functionality and compatibility. Paul
#112106From: MARTIN G FOSTERJul 11, 1994 1:48 AM
Paul, how much is an entry-level, D1-quality DDR these days? I think a complete MAX setup would probably be ~$9k with a 2gb hardrive, EISA m/b, EISA controller, MAX, Illum. Pro 4mb.
#112108From: Paul LindJul 11, 1994 2:12 AM
Martin, List is probably around $16K, but it's possible to find them for close to $10K. Of course then you have a true D1 framebuffer for every machine that you can connect to the network. We have ours arranged so that you can render to it from any machine, SGI/PC/MAC on the network and see the frame on several monitors. Additionally all machines can login to it and play sequences, automatically dump sequences to the BVW, etc. without ever getting out of your seat. Additionally we have a number of programs that will automatically grab the frames one at a time, bring them into the computer, alter, composite, add efects to, etc. that frame and put it back in place in batch mode. You can also control speeds, 33 times as fast to one 33rd of normal speed etc. All from any computer. So it's nice to adjust frame rates and get the desired results without re-rendering. You can also back it up remotely, so it's like having one for every machine. Which brings the cost down dramatically. I could go on and on, we find new uses for it every day. 🙂 It also complies to Sony422 proto, so it directly integrates into any edit suite. You can simply tell it a segment, inpoint for the Beta deck, and speed and it will totally control the BVW, which really helps alot. It has 8 GPI ports. Oh well, I'll shut up now…………. Paul P.S. – Did I mention that you don't have to tie up any expansion slots? 🙂
#112150From: ALAN IGLESIASJul 11, 1994 10:38 AM
Gawd, Paul, your place sounds like one big toy-box! Can I come over and play sometime?<g> -Alan
#112185From: Paul LindJul 11, 1994 12:33 PM
Sure!!!!!!!!!! But if you come by, I may put you to work! I'm dying under deadlines. 😐 Paul
#112212From: ALAN IGLESIASJul 11, 1994 2:58 PM
He-he… If I ever get out that way, I'll be sure to reserve some time for "working vacation" days…<g> It's great to see so many folks so busy with 3D! -Alan
#112215From: Paul LindJul 11, 1994 3:11 PM
I agree, the absolute best thing about being on this forum is seeing all of the people working constantly in 3D. It's AMAZING! It makes my old bones happy to see this industry thriving. Paul
#112225From: MARTIN G FOSTERJul 11, 1994 5:04 PM
Paul, the Abekas configured in the way you describe sounds like a fabulous solution for network-quality animations. Awesome! I know it'd be overkill for many, like me, who only ever (so far) do work in the corporate/industrial arena. In my case, the video stuff I do just sidejobs: demo tapes and the occasional video project.
#112446From: Martin BowringJul 12, 1994 2:31 PM
>>I know it'd be overkill for many, like me, who only ever (so far) do work in the corporate/industrial arena. Most of my work falls into this category and the Targa 2000 should be a great tool when the niggles are sorted out. The ability to edit animations, video and audio with Premiere means that you can compete directly with the traditional video companies. In a field like mine, subsea, it makes a lot of sense to base the presentation on animations with supporting video, not the other way round. OK my first edit is pretty amateurish but it's going to get better. About half my work is direct for industrial clients and the Targa 2000 opens up a lot of new avenues. – Martin Bowring
#112666From: MARTIN G FOSTERJul 13, 1994 10:52 AM
Martin, glad to hear that the Targa 2000 is working out for you. I looked into it somewhat since it sounded like an interesting swiss-army kindof a board. The main stumbling block was price. It's priced in the stratosphere, for me, just like the MAX.
#112730From: Martin BowringJul 13, 1994 3:10 PM
Price – Well if the damn thing would work properly I would sell my Targa+ and AG7750 with no regrets and cash to spare. Quality – Truevision promise a YUV option soon, though I don't think I'll buy it. I invested in Exabyte/ADSG but so far none of my tight fisted "broadcast" clients have paid for it. Great back up though, no regrets. Swiss Army – My point exactly. Regards – Martin Bowring
#112234From: krazy imagesJul 11, 1994 5:43 PM
Oh, boys and girls, I love this kind of messages! <g> Let's see, if I convince Martin and Alan to sell their PARs and get the "materials" to make the assault to Fort Knox, maybe… mmmh… yeah, that could be a good idea. I will sell the PowerMac and put the brains for the "operation" <bg> ana /krazy images
#112278From: MARTIN G FOSTERJul 11, 1994 9:34 PM
Ana, >> if I convince Martin and Alan to sell their PARs << Never! Not for love or money. At least, not until something better comes out for the same or less money <g>. >> make the assault to Fort Knox << You mean "assault _on_", I think 🙂 Are you suggesting a robbery so we can have an hardware unlimited budget? Well, in that case, I'd probably buy what Paul has <g>.
#112309From: ALAN IGLESIASJul 11, 1994 11:59 PM
>>hardware unlimited budget Hey, this is startin' to sound good!<g> -Alan
#112331From: MARTIN G FOSTERJul 12, 1994 1:44 AM
Alan, >> this is startin' to sound good!<g> << sure is. We'll need the unlimited budget for our new DPS "Personal Flock of Seagulls" <g>.
#112397From: krazy imagesJul 12, 1994 10:58 AM
* You mean "assault _on_", I think 🙂 * O thank you for pointing out that little grammatical errors <g> Well, I already have a plan (I have seen Goldfinger again 🙂 and it could be easily done. Do you want to have an Abekas or not? <G> ana /krazy images
#112418From: MARTIN G FOSTERJul 12, 1994 12:06 PM
Ana, >> Do you want to have an Abekas or not? <G> << Oh, OK. I'm in! I'll need an Abekas and a D1 editing suite – it's for my home videos <g>.