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#Lowcost 1.76 Meg Disks

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#155834From: Hilary SzymanowskiJul 9, 1994 8:19 PM
Don't know if you are aware…… There is a small gadget which can turn the standard 3.5" 720 KByte floppies into the 1.76 Meg kind. It punches a small square hole in exactly the right place of a standard disk… thus the computer recognizes it as the high capacity kind. I used it on my PC to change 720 KByte into 1.44 Megs… and it worked. So tried it with an Amiga 4000…. and again it worked. I have converted around 50 to 60 disks this way. Tried them out by formatting. They all came through the ordeal except 2. I suspect I did not use enough care with the punch in those 2 cases. Certainly saves quite a bit of $$$$….. All the best, Hilary.
#155847From: Don Curtis/SYSOPJul 9, 1994 11:54 PM
Hilary, That's being penny-wise and pound-foolish. There IS a difference in the media between 720K floppies and 1.44Meg floppies. While yes, in many cases…they will format, you WILL have problems with them retaining data in the long run. I've got a portable that has an external floppy that doesn't care whether the floppy has the 2nd hole or not…if you tell it to format at 1.44Meg…it will (or at least attempt to). I've formatted several DSDD floppies on it…they all formatted fine at 1.44 Meg. I copied data to them just fine and read them just fine. Several days later…I attempted to read the disks…several tracks were no longer readable. I tested the disks with PCTools DiskFix program…those tracks were bad, but after reformatting, they were ok again….for a few days. With very few exceptions…this is true of all the disks I've tried. Don
#155874From: Hilary SzymanowskiJul 10, 1994 11:54 AM
Have been using the little punch on the disks for my PC for the last three years. No problems at all. There is the occasional disk which bucks the hole punching, but you can find that out if/when you format that disk. Needless to say, I am not selling or promoting the gadget, just letting folk know that the gadget is there and it has saved lots of $$$$…. All the best, Hilary.
#155922From: Dale LarsonJul 10, 1994 7:11 PM
Certainly different strokes for different folks. Some people try to do everything on a budget, others are willing to pay a few extra dollars for increased reliability and decreased headaches. It's good to know that the punch exists, and good to know why you might choose not to use them and why the HD disks cost more. Dale L. Larson Intangible Assets Manufacturing (info@iam.com) "That's the best part about being crazy. You see things no one else can see."
#156243From: Kevin SangwellJul 13, 1994 3:44 PM
Hilary, Hi again, I can concur with you on the hole punch side. Several years ago when I had a C64 with a 5? inch floppy drive, I used to use a "disk notcher" to cut hole in the other side of the floppy and then I could format the second side of every floppy with any problems. However with 3? inch disks I have experienced problems if you format DSDD disks at HD on both PC's and Macs… Still as everyone says, if it works and saves $$'s then use it! 🙂 Kevin Flying AutoPilot from Surry in the UK
#156259From: Hilary SzymanowskiJul 13, 1994 7:29 PM
Yep Kevin. the hole punch has saved me quite a bit on my PC. It's funny… when the punch first came out about 3 years ago, SONY and other disk makers were up in arms. They said that the "coating" of HD disks was extra special – and lots more along those lines. A metals scientist at one of the universities examined lots of disks from "el cheepo" to the best of the HD's. Outcome was there was very little difference in the quality of the coating, the coating method, and the magnetic properties. There were differences in the quality of the shell… i.e. outer cover and its mechanics. All the best, Hilary.
#155877From: Eulogio (DJ) GarciaJul 10, 1994 12:05 PM
Hillary, whatever you do, don't use these disks for your backups! They may work, or may not, or may work for a while and then not! User beware!! DJ
#155893From: Hilary SzymanowskiJul 10, 1994 1:59 PM
Have been using those "converted" disks on my PC for the last three years now. So far no problems there. Maybe the Amiga is a bit more timid of the converts… than the PC ? All the best, Hilary.
#155923From: Dale LarsonJul 10, 1994 7:11 PM
Empirical engineering is not engineering. 🙂 On the other hand, empiricism is great in science. But it doesn't sound like you've done a serious study with an adequate sample under controlled conditions. Dale L. Larson Intangible Assets Manufacturing (info@iam.com) "That's the best part about being crazy. You see things no one else can see."
#156074From: Eulogio (DJ) GarciaJul 11, 1994 10:01 PM
C'mon, Dale, live a little! Think of the adrenaline rush wondering whether those backups are going to restore your fried HD properly … DJ
#156088From: Robert ComerJul 11, 1994 11:47 PM
That's one adrenaline rush I could do without! 🙂 Bob Comer — Hakuna Matata! Cheyenne, Wyoming U.S.A.
#155967From: Brian BartlettJul 11, 1994 2:55 AM
Hilary, then you have been very, very lucky. During the production process a sample of diskettes is drawn from a particular batch and if the disks in the sample drawn pass the tests to satisfy the DS/HD standard, the batch is shipped as such. If they fail, but pass as DS/DD, they are certified as such and so shipped. Given such a regimen, it should be no suprise that you can convert many disks to DS/HD by using a nibble-notch type device. However, unless you rigorously test these diskettes, you will inevitably run into the disk that actually cause the batch to fail in the first place. Given the small differential in prices today between the two types of diskettes, I'm not willing to take the chance. Whether you do or not is up to you. Recommending that others take the same risk is, in my view, questionable at best. The Four Seasons of Southern California: Fire, Flood, Earthquake, and Riot.
#155987From: Hilary SzymanowskiJul 11, 1994 9:40 AM
Interesting comments Brian….. Bye the way… What is the going price for the High Density floppies for the Amiga ? All the best, Hilary
#156186From: Brian BartlettJul 13, 1994 5:06 AM
Hilary, the same as for any other machine, actually. I've seen them specialed at the local office supply store as low as $8.95 a box. Usually a few buck higher than that, normally. The Four Seasons of Southern California: Fire, Flood, Earthquake, and Riot.
#156202From: Hilary SzymanowskiJul 13, 1994 9:09 AM
Thanks Brian. You have given me a "marker" price of around 89 cents/per disk. Will take a look in "COMPUTER SHOPPER" which seems to have the lowest prices on all computer stuff. All the best, Hilary.
#156073From: Eulogio (DJ) GarciaJul 11, 1994 10:01 PM
Hi, Hilary, it probably is – 1.76 MB vs 1.44 MB, so you will be pushing them more, but if it works, what the hey, just remember about those backups B-) DJ
#156139From: Tom JonesJul 12, 1994 5:31 PM
Hilary You are of course free to use this punch but you should know that it is not just hype, the magnetic media of HD diskettes is different. It is analogous to the chromium cassette tapes I think only in reverse: the HD oxide needs a lower power flux than the 720K disk so the punched 720 does not get magnetized strongly enough for it's type oxide and the result is loss of data after the diskette lays on the shelf for a while. I had such a punch that I used to use on 5 1/4" floppies with my old C128 for years and that worked great. It only took me a short time to find out that last months spreadsheets had holes in them when I did this with HD. Thought you might like to know that. Tom alternate: jonest@hfsi.com I never met a man I didn't like…Will Rogers