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#Hybrid disc Mac probs

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#117531From: ICOM SupportJun 14, 1995 7:01 AM
If you stick a Mac application on an ISO9660 CD, Macs won't recognize them as applications. The ISO9660 format does not have any provisions for properly storing the resource fork, file creator, and file type. The resource fork & file type are the biggest problems… without them you can't have an application, only a document.
#117533From: Jerry WarnerJun 14, 1995 11:22 AM
<<If you stick a Mac application on an ISO9660 CD, Macs won't recognize them as applications.>> From your response to Kenny one might think an application wouldn't run on a Mac with an ISO9660 disc. I'm sure that's not what you meant to say as it's very untrue however the wording sorta makes it sound that way. You might want to send Kenny a follow up note making it more clear. Jerry Warner CD Solutions, Inc.
#117567From: ICOM SupportJun 15, 1995 4:28 AM
<yawn> It's always amazing how I can phrase simple ideas in such a completely obtuse manner in the early morning… <g>
#117570From: ICOM SupportJun 15, 1995 4:37 AM
Um, I looked back at the statement I made and don't entirely understand the trouble… _is_ it possible to stick a Mac application (executable in PC-ese) on an ISO9660 CD and still have it readable, to the Mac, as an application? My understanding of the ISO9660 format doesn't make that possible, as the items I had mentioned get stored in PC-style format, which means the application will be stored as a document (data fork only). I'm basically a techno-geek, so my information could be outdated, as I've never actually tried this. I just stick with ISO9660 on the PC, HFS on the Mac, and hybrid CD's that blend the two.
#117577From: Jerry WarnerJun 15, 1995 10:38 AM
<<_is_ it possible to stick a Mac application (executable in PC-ese) on an ISO9660 CD and still have it readable, to the Mac, as an application?>> Of course. The resource fork is gone so double clicking on a file won't auto launch the proper application but clicking on the application will certainly launch the application without problems. BTW, what's your name? "VNM Support" doesn't seem to fit the forum guidelines very well and I certainly don't know what to call you. Jerry Warner CD Solutions, Inc.
#117713From: ICOM SupportJun 18, 1995 1:24 AM
This is a support account for Viacom New Media, and is staffed by several people… so tagging a name onto the account wouldn't help very much. I check this area in my usual rounds and thought I'd lend my two cents… which unfortunately weren't entirely accurate. I hadn't realized that Apple's ISO9660 Foreign File Access had made provisions for a way to store the resource fork in a separate file. So, I stand corrected…
#117716From: incatsystems softwaJun 18, 1995 2:54 AM
It's not Foreign File Access that does it; I'm having a hard time finding a name for what it is without causing exactly that confusion. It's the Apple Extensions, sometimes called Apple Level 2 Extensions, to the ISO 9660 standard which allows the resource fork to be kept in an associated file. The Foreign File Access extensions to the Mac system are what allow you to read back discs in the Mac OS. Actually, from System 7.5 on (maybe earlier?) it's all part of the system so you can quietly forget all about Foreign File Access. Ciao, D'
#117753From: Jerry WarnerJun 19, 1995 9:22 AM
Mike, I agree with Deirdre'. It's not the Foreign File Access that gives you the longer file names but rather an extension. The whole issue is avoided when making a true hybrid and in addition, you have the ability to control window/file placement with a true hybrid which you don't have with an ISO9660 disc. That usually means a lot. Jerry Warner CD Solutions, Inc.
#117621From: incatsystems softwaJun 16, 1995 12:18 AM
When an ISO disc is cut from a Mac, it is possible to use the Apple Extensions which put the resource fork into an associated file (allowed under ISO, not DOS), and to allow the long filenames. Incat's Easy-CD Pro for Macintosh implements the Apple Extensions automatically, and I think most if not all of the other Mac CD recording packages do it one way or another. What you come out with is a very "Mac-like" ISO disc, but you don't get the Mac desktop (there's no provision for that in ISO) so some Mac attributes (such as window positioning) are lost. Best regards, Deirdre' Straughan Incat Systems
#117536From: Albert DayesJun 14, 1995 12:40 PM
Apple has some extension to ISO-9660 which allow one to store Apple specific information. Resource forks, icons, etc. I saw an article in Develop magazine (in one the 1990 issues … summer I believe).
#117566From: ICOM SupportJun 15, 1995 4:23 AM
Really? If you could let me know more-or-less which issue, I'd really be interested in reading it…
#117583From: Albert DayesJun 15, 1995 11:52 AM
Develop: The Apple Technical Journal Issue 3, July 1990 The article in particular is: The in and outs of ISO-9660 and High Sierra format by Brian Bechtel: The two standard file formats for CD-ROM discs, how they relate to the Macintosh's native file format, and how to implement them. (pages 272-287) Pages 278 … How Macintosh files are stored in these formats a) file forks b) file identifiers c) file type and creator d) finder flags e) desktop information … later on there is some example C source code to demonstrate this on a floppy disk.
#117714From: ICOM SupportJun 18, 1995 1:25 AM
Thanks!