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#Cubic Quartz

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#117356From: Dr. Rodney K. BurroughsJan 13, 1994 10:00 PM
Quartz – we all know all about quartz. Right??? Quartz if crystallized is probably commonly found as prismatic, horizontially striated crystals in matrix, occasionally doubley terminated. Quartz is a member of the hexagonal crystal system and therefore when looking down on the crystal from above, one sees the six sided hexagonal structure. How about cubic quartz????? More later as I obtain further information from a serious field collector of the Santa Monica Mountains, California. Rod
#117364From: Doug MitchellJan 13, 1994 10:25 PM
Hi, Rod– (a) Cubes of quartz: pseudomorphs of quartz replacing some cubic mineral? (b) An article on calcite crystal forms in a semi-recent rockhound mag issue showed how some calcite forms could come awfully close to cubic in shape, so only a goniometer could tell it was not a true cube. Calcite is of the same rhombohedral crystal system as quartz. (c) While silicon dioxide might crystallize in the cubic system, it would not be quartz – a mineral is characterized by both a specific chemical composition and a specific crystal structure. Are we talking about a polymorph of quartz? (d) None of the above Save some cubes for me! –Doug
#117464From: Elizabeth R. BondJan 15, 1994 12:36 AM
Rod — Cubic system silicon dioxide is high cristobalite. The only *crystal* form referenced by Hurlbut & Klein or Mason & Berry is octahedral ("small"). I believe the cleavage is {111} or parallel to the octahedron's faces. The other habit, mentioned by both, is small "spheroids" (either rounded octahedral crystals or ???). One of the sources also mentions that, at ambient temperatures, the octahedral crystals are milky-translucent. The octahedral crystal shape is retained if high cristobalite inverts to tetragonal system low cristobalite. I believe cristobalite is also common between crystals in some extrusive rocks, and I know it occurs in some sedimentary rocks (cement?) but don't know the mechanism. Also don't know whether these occurrences are low or high cristobalite… but I suspect low. It is evident that I favor Doug's third suggestion — a misstatement "cubic quartz" rather than "cubic SiO2". His first two suggestions are also possible — I have not heard of cubic pseudomorphs of quartz — but straight-forward mis-identification of minerals is common. (Clear fluorite occurs to me, and properly cubic too, not just close! Get out your Mohs' kit.) But even if cristobalite, if the crystal habit is *cubes* — that is apparently unique. So be sure to let us know what info you receive on this mystery mineral occurrence! — E. 1: 2: Why would they exempt this from the FIA?reedom of Information Act? 3: /post
#117654From: Doug MitchellJan 16, 1994 5:36 PM
Hi, Elizabeth and Rod– Finally remembering melanophlogite, another SiO2 mineral "containing organic compounds", I looked it up in the Encyclopedia of Minerals (2nd ed.) and found its crystals are simple cubes. The Encyclopedia of Minerals says cristobalite (SiO2) crystals are "usually pseudo-octahedral, rarely pseudocubic … Also massive; stalactitic; spherulitic; as crusts and botyroidal aggregates". I assume the "pseudo" prefixes refer to the fact that high (beta) cristobalite is of the cubic system, generating true octahedra and rarely cubes, but since that is not stable below 1470 C or even metastable below 200 C (as implied by the following test), these forms are low cristobalite pseudomorphs after high cristobalite. Hurlbut & Klein says when cristobalite (low = alpha, presumably) is heated to 200 C it inverts to high = beta cristobalite, becoming clear, and on cooling reverts to a milky appearance. This may be a worthwhile test if there is too little for density measurements (which should easily distinguish cristobalite from quartz). Hurlbut & Klein says that high cristobalite "transforms reconstructively" (whatever that means) to tridymite below 1470 C at 1 bar; I am unclear as to how it "inverts" to low cristobalite if that is the case, unless it is a different transformation at higher pressures, or when high cristobalite has remained metastable at lower temperatures, as the book says it does. My understanding of opalescence is that opal has "spheres" of cristobalite embedded in the hydrous silica matrix; when these are layer-sorted by size one gets the play of colors that make it precious opal. I suspect this would not work unless the cristobalites were very close to spherical. I seem to remember reading of a quartz pseudomorph after fluorite somewhere; that would likely be cubes. If I had an electronic copy of all my rockhound magazine back issues, I could hunt up this reference easily; as it is, this would be a daunting task. Rod, if you can tell us what sort of environment this "cubic quartz" was found in, and what minerals are associated, it may help rule out some of the possibilities. –Doug
#117762From: Larissa A. McCutcheJan 17, 1994 4:53 PM
I can't get too technical (I'm an arctic geomorphologist, not a geologist) but I have a sample here of quartz (it's been tested!) with perfect cleavage in two directions. This apparent cleavage is caused by a specific set of pressure-heat conditions. I'm afraid I know little about this, but could the heat-pressure produce cubes? L.McC.
#117812From: Doug MitchellJan 17, 1994 10:00 PM
Hi, Larissa– Welcome to the forum/section! Thanks for the alert; quartz is so bashful about exhibiting its cleavage, that it is not often noticed, mentioned, or thought of. But I have read that quartz has a rhombohedral cleavage, rather like that of calcite. I am no crystallographer myself, but the hexagonal/rhombohedral system symmetry of quartz (and calcite) makes a cubic cleavage seem just as improbable as a cubic crystal, for the same reasons. –Doug
#117852From: Larissa A. McCutcheJan 18, 1994 6:11 AM
Many thanks. I had noticed that tendancy and I appreciate the explaination! L.McC.