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#Full screen animation

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#182763From: GREG KOWALSKIJul 29, 1995 10:56 PM
Hi, I'm having problems playing full screen animation. I even dropped resolution of the rendered animation from 800×600 to 640×480 and can still see each frame drawn on the screen (8 sec animation goes for 40 sec !). I thought that it would be CL graphic card (only 1Mb) with 486/66 & 16Mb causing problems so I've tried on P66 with Diamond 4Mb VRam – same effect !!! Is there a seeting during rendering that might help ??? BTW – after converting file to AVI the final result is even worse … What's the secret of playing full screen good resolution animation ??? greg 🙂
#182767From: Paul Sanford [LVL5]Jul 29, 1995 11:30 PM
>> What's the secret of playing full screen good resolution animation ??? << Hey, you're getting 6 fps at 640 x 480, which sounds fairly good to me for a flic on a 486! I usually am happy with 320 x 240 at 15 fps. For faster flic playback, try to load the flic into RAM, it will play faster than off of the HD. How big is the file? If you want full resolution playback at 30 fps, look into the PAR or PVR by DPS, or one of the MARS cards. They use special compression schemes to playback video in real time. Paul S.
#182776From: GREG KOWALSKIJul 30, 1995 6:29 AM
Mucios gracios Paul, that was quick response, thx. So looks like 640×480 on 486/16Mb 4Mb VRAm like is no go. I probably sound ignorant but what ' PAR or PVR by DPS, or one of the MARS cards' means ? Why the hell Diamond advertises the 4Mb VRAM card as the one that 'plays smooth, realistic video in full screen up to 1280×1024' ? Did I just wasted some money here ? … Once again thx for quick response. greg 🙂
#182783From: Paul Sanford [LVL5]Jul 30, 1995 1:05 PM
DPS is Digital Processing Systems. They make the PAR (Personal Animation Recorder) and now the PVR (Perception Video Recorder). If you do a search in the library under DPS, PAR and/or PVR you will find some detailed info about these products. Basically, they act like a VCR inside your computer. They have their own dedicated hardrives, and playback animations at 30 fps. You can import .tga files onto their drives, and even render straight to them from inside 3DS. Then, rather than playing a flic back, you load up the PAR/PVR and watch the video on a regular TV monitor. The MARS cards work in a similar way, except they utilize a regular system drive, I believe. As far as Diamond's claim, I'll leave that to someone else to answer. I don't have much experience with video cards. >> Once again thx for quick response. << You're welcome! Paul S.
#183025From: Tyler ColwellAug 1, 1995 11:08 AM
Hi Greg, PMJI but nobody mentioned that the Par solution is about a $2500-$3000 purchase. Just to put it in perspective. As far as Diamond goes, I would use wincim and FIND:DIAMOND. I'm sure the have a presence in a forum here on CIS. -Tyler Colwell Sierra Analysis Group/Mountain Motion
#183075From: Ralph F. FrantzAug 1, 1995 3:35 PM
>> As far as Diamond goes, I would use wincim and FIND:DIAMOND. I'm sure the >> have a presence in a forum here on CIS. PMFJI, but whoever needs Diamonds forum can be find it in GRAPHB section #3. Ralph
#183755From: GREG KOWALSKIAug 6, 1995 2:57 AM
>Hi Greg, PMJI but nobody mentioned that the Par solution is about a >$2500-$3000 purchase. Just to put it in perspective. > >As far as Diamond goes, I would use wincim and FIND:DIAMOND. I'm >sure the have a presence in a forum here on CIS. >-Tyler Colwell >Sierra Analysis Group/Mountain Motion thx, for that Tyler, that will save me some time … greg 🙂
#182853From: – VisitorJul 31, 1995 9:57 AM
Another option to the PAR is the Matrox Animation Xpress, for playing back broadcast quality animations from hard disk in real time. If you would like more information, please e-mail me you address, and I will mail you a brochure. Regards, Lori Smordin[Matrox]
#183751From: GREG KOWALSKIAug 6, 1995 2:22 AM
Lori, thx for the response. Please send me info about Matrox (price ?) greg 🙂
#183929From: Keith JonesAug 8, 1995 3:29 AM
Can you send me some info on your speedy animation playback cards. Thanks Geoff Coope
#183950From: – VisitorAug 8, 1995 9:35 AM
The Matrox Animation Xpress is a digital animation recorder. It eliminates time-consuming frame-by-frame recording by playing back broadcast-quality animations directly from hard disk in real time. It also provides a direct connection to Autodesk 3D Studio. If you would like me to send you a brochure, please e-mail me your mailing address. Regards, Lori Smordin[Matrox]
#183979From: Keith JonesAug 8, 1995 12:07 PM
Based in the UK: SILKMOTH LTD Mulberry House 9 Lowe Street Macclesfield Cheshire, SK11 7NJ ENGLAND Thanks Geoff
#184346From: Darin LenderinkAug 10, 1995 11:19 PM
Lori, I would be interested in seeing some info on this card. Thanks for your help! – Darin Lenderink Flat Earth Games Darin Lenderink – Flat Earth Games
#184391From: – VisitorAug 11, 1995 9:21 AM
Darin, I would be happy to send you a brochure on the Matrox Animation Xpress, however I need your mailing address. You can e-mail it to me. Regards, Lori Smordin[Matrox]
#182906From: MARTIN G FOSTERJul 31, 1995 3:38 PM
Greg, there's a few techniques in creating smooth playing animations on computers and they mostly pertain to how well an animation compresses. What you're actually doing is minimizing the number of pixels which change from frame to frame. Try to do them on a plain coloured background (1 colour value like black) Rotate objects rather than rotate the camera. Lock off camera movement entirely or keep it slow enough to avoid strobing and tearing. Consider using cuts rather than a dynamic flying camera in long scenes. That should help. Martin
#183752From: GREG KOWALSKIAug 6, 1995 2:22 AM
Martin, Thanx a lot ! That was my problem ! In this particular animation I'm using camera flying the company logo. I couldn't understand why another animation of similar resoulution didn't those problems. greg 🙂
#183893From: STUART AITKENAug 7, 1995 8:36 PM
Greg- I think I can clear up your confusion re the diamond stealth Vram card and its claim to do smooth video at outrageous resolutions- ie. it is in actual fact merely interpolating (enlarging) a low resolution AVI to a larger resolution while playing the file – this doesn't mean you can play back files originally rendered at these high resolutions (e.g.600*800) unfortunately. Also video playback will be dependent on your cpu speed, harddrive/controller speed and amount of ram available as well as having one of the fastest video cards on the market (I would perhaps agree that sometimes computer hardware adverts can be a trifle vague – or should that be misleading?;-^), tho it has to be said that diamond is a highly respected company and the card you have is definately one of the best going.) Also as an alternative to the PAR/MARS cards (not forgetting the MAX!) being mentioned, if your budget (like mine unfortunately!) can't stretch to these prices you could also try contacting FAST and MIRO (GO fast or GO miro) who produce cards at a much lower price point that do more or less the same kind of thing (ie full motion video) as their more expensive counterparts ( although obviously not to the same degree of quality- But as I'm sure you know you tend to get what you pay for !(G)) Just my 2cents anyway- hope it helps Stuart Aitken
#184387From: GREG KOWALSKIAug 11, 1995 7:06 AM
Stuart, Many thanks for your response re: Diamond VRAM card and full screen animation playing. This the best info I've received (down to earth I mean …). What sort of price I'm looking for the lower end card that can play full screen animation ? greg 🙂
#184786From: STUART AITKENAug 13, 1995 6:46 PM
Fast have just brought out a card that will do exactly what you want at a price of around L500 here in the uk at the current rate of exchange (about $1.60 to L1.00) that will probably mean you'll get it in the states at around $500 (BG)! its called the FPS60 and will (reputedly) do full pal or nstc resolution at 50 or 60 fields a second. The Matrox MAX, DPS perception ,etc are much better boards but you'll need a VERY fast Harddrive , controller and large ($4000- at least) bank balance! for more info on the fast card GO FAST. Stuart "not in fact a salesperson for fast" Aitken