#PVR and IBM No GO!
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AAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!
I just got in my PVR and Daughter card and just found out that the IBM 750 P90
desktop series and the PVR and daughter card dont mix 🙁
IBM locates their PCI slots vertically at the bottom of the case near the
motherboard. The only way I can put in both cards is to take out the Diamond
viper PCI card and rely on the built in vesa video port or take out my ram
chips. (Yeah – right )
Now before you call me a fool for bying IBM in the first place, it wasn't my
choice. My esteem colleagues in computer services her at my college believe
that IBM is GOD. I, on the other hand, believe IBM is out to destroy the
world.
Down in the dumps and crying like a baby
Roy.
Roy,
I've just had a dual Pentium set up with the PVR and daughter card. I've been
trying to warn people about the fit problem in all the forums. It's not as bad
as you think. If you have the same motherboard layout as mine, you can remove
the cpu fan and make it fit. From what I understand, the PVR was designed
around the 486 boards which have a different layout. It will require some
different cooling configs, but I think you can buy fans for around $15. Drop
Cameron (Cyberimage) a line at 73303,2107. He's the one who did my setup and
stepped over that hurdle without blinking.
Hope this helps, Terry
>I've just had a dual Pentium set up with the PVR and daughter card. I've been
trying to warn people about the fit problem in all the forums.<
How is the Capture Card connected to the PVR? Is it a ribbon cable,
like the PAR uses? I have seen pictures of the PVR and it appears the
capture card connector toward the back connector.
Does it matter what side of the PVR the capture card goes? The PAR and TBCIV
had to be next to each other, but it didn't matter is either was on the left or
right. Is the PVR and capture card the same way?
Does that capture card use a rear slot backplane?
Tim,
The daughter card is connected to the PVR by way of a male and female pin
connector, not a ribbon cable. There is a screw that holds the two cards
together, so the daughter card must be on the left side (if you are looking at
the machine from the front) of the PVR. Yes, the daughter card uses a rear slot
back plane.
Terry
Terry,
My new PVR just plugs together, no screws or spacers.
Cheers,
Tom
Thomas,
Once again, bear in mind that I haven't actually got my hands on this
new system yet. I get it tomorrow morning, finally. Anyway, I'm just
passing on what Cameron and Murphy have been telling me all through
the setting up process. I did call Cameron this morning before
answering Tim, to be sure I wasn't leading someone astray with false
information. The word I got was that, it is held together by a screw.
Mine also did not come with the screw, but Murph, knowing it was
supposed to have one, called up and got it. I really don't know if
the screw is necessary or not. The only reason I said that, was to
comment on the daughter card having to be on the left. But, thinking
about it, I guess the way they connect with the pins, necessitate
that. I'm sure I'll be talking to Murph again soon, and I'll make it
a point to ask if the screw is important or not. Like I said, I'm not
the expert on all this, I hope I'm not sounding like I think I am.
I'm just trying to do a little payback for all the good help I got
here.
Also, since you have one. Murph is talking to Digital everyday about
fixing a little glitch it has. They feel like they are very close to
solving the problem with a software rewrite. If you are interested,
I'll let you know what they are saying about that as it developes.
Terry
Terry,
Keep me posted on any fix you hear about. I'm not sure there is a direct method
for me to hear about such fixes otherwise. I'm still trying to get drives for
my board so I haven't yet got the thing fired up. I think I'm going with the
4.2 gig drives instead of the one 9 gig.
Thanks,
Tom
Thomas,
Will do.
Terry
Thomas,
It appears that Digital forgot to include the screws and spacers in the
original shipment of the PVR/Daughter card. So, no one got them. It looks like
they're only important for shipping purposes though. Like my system being
shipped with the cards already installed in the slots. But anyway, that's the
word I get from Murph.
Terry
I found that as well. The daughter card seems to fit well enough where I
believe the screw and spacer isn't necessary. It would seem to be a strange
discrepancy with the instruction manual, however.
Chris Doll
Focal Pointe, Inc.
David,
>> The daughter card seems to fit well enough where I believe the screw and
spacer isn't necessary. It would seem to be a strange discrepancy with the
instruction manual, however.<<
DPS has admitted that they dropped the ball on the original shipping as the
manuals show the spacer and screw is to be used.
You'll also find out that if your shipping your system cross country or even
taking it to someone elses house for a show and tell you better make darn sure
that the daughter card doesn't come loose in shipping…worse yet just assume
it's ok and turn it on only to hear electrical arcing and a wiff of smoke come
from inside….not altogether something I'd take a chance on.
If you unit doesn't have a screw and spacer:
A: Call DPS and have them ship you one.
B: Make one from all those screws and spacers you threw in your junk drawer
with the intention of finding a good use for them….nows the time for the good
use part! <BG>
If you don't make sure they stick together perminantly you may be sorry.
Murph'
>> It appears that Digital forgot to include the screws and spacers in the
original shipment of the PVR/Daughter card. <<
This omission made life interesting here: we use DEC XL (towers), and PCI
boards hang upside down. Consequently, the pins would have had to support the
weight of the capture card. We cannibalized a spacer and some screws from
something else to give the card a "seat belt".
Martin
That makes sense, It seems to hang together just fine. The doc's do show the
screw assembly though.
Tom
Terry,
Thought I'd update you.. I got everything working… I can capture video now. I
guess it was some of their Voodoo Video stuff. I switched the connectors around
and everything started working. I thought the cables were identical, guess not?
Now all I need to do is have edit control of the PVR and the deck I'm capturing
from.
Cheers,
Tom
Thomas,
Very glad to hear that things are looking up. Keep some good notes on the
"Voodoo Video Stuff" <g>. I'm still zipping through the 3DS tutorial (did half
yesterday and will finish today) so I don't know when I'll start fooling with
the PVR stuff. But, when I do, I'll be bugging you to death to have you guide
me around the quiksand areas. <g> BTW, I hear there's a man named Jack from
Autodesk that had a lot to do with the tutorial for 3DS. If you run across him,
tell him I said, "Well DONE!"
Keep me informed of how things go with the PVR setup.
Thanks, Terry
Thanks Terry. Glad to hear you're enjoying the tutorials (if "enjoying" is the
right word for all that learning <g>).
– Jack
Jack,
Ah, flushed ya out eh.
>> If "enjoying" is the right word for all that learning <g> <<
I'm in high heaven when I'm learning something new like this. Too bad I didn't
feel that way 25 years ago. <g> Anyway, I just wanted to personally let you how
much I appreciate the effort that must have went into the tutorial. I went
through it cover to cover in two days and never had to scratch my head. It's
written very clear and straight forward, and actually mistake free. I think
it's the first tutorial of it's sort that I've read that doesn't contain
something that doesn't work the way it's printed.
Thanks, Terry
Awww…shucks (head lowered, kicking dust).
– J
Tim,
Yes, the PVR capture card (AD-2500) has connectors for input cabling at
the back. The card get screwed down to the PVR-2500, and only fits on the one
side, using header connections (no ribbon cable. Overhangs a second PCI slot,
but does not actually plug into the slot.
Kevin Krell – Computer Support Associates
Thanks for letting everyone know about the problem with PVR installation in
your IBM box, Roy.
I think it's going to be a good idea to look *very* carefully at any machine
one may want to install the PVR into, given it's PCI requirements and full
size. Hopefully, your experience will help others here to avoid the same
problem.
I'm currently looking at different MBs with just this in mind.
I wish you luck in getting your system up and running.
-Alan