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#6729From: Mike HavelhorstAug 18, 1988 12:34 AM
I'm back with questions! O.K., I did what you said- dloaded (at least I hope) ARC.EXE to a blank disk, along with a few short arced programs, like LIB 4.ARC , so I could attempt to unarc them. Now I understand that to implement the procedure you use the command "arc x filename", or "arc?". But how do I get to that point, meaning I power up this confusing piece of hardware and WHAT DO I DO? Use WBench and then somewhere insert the disk with my dloaded stuff on it? Where and when do I type in that command? Oh the secrets just beyond my grasp! Thanks so far for all the help, I'm almost there. Mike
#6768From: Lee SheldonAug 18, 1988 2:23 AM
Mike, Start with WBench, open a CLI. Rename ARC.EXE to ARC. Put ARC on the same disk as the program you want to unarc. (With one drive it's easiest to copy a file to ram:, switch disks, and copy it from ram: to the new disk). With that disk in your drive (not WBench), type "arc x <filename>". There are more elegant ways to handle it, but this is the simplest. Hope I haven't missed anything… Lee
#6824From: Mike HavelhorstAug 18, 1988 10:24 AM
Lee, Thanks alot for the help. As soon as I finish up work I'll attempt my first unarcing. I feel like I'm back in school without the threat of grades or gym. Mike
#6850From: Lee SheldonAug 18, 1988 1:12 PM
Mike, Who said there weren't grades or gym? Where's your term paper on online communications? Hit the floor, and give me twenty, mister. Lee
#6954From: Mike HavelhorstAug 18, 1988 11:47 PM
Lee, It seems school was alot easier than this! Even with all the help I got I still got terribly confused and went down to the folks I bought the Amiga from to help me out. I only have one drive and they seemed to think that most of the info I received assumed I had two. I tried following everyone's directions and it blew me away. I ended up having them show me that I needed to copy cli to my ram using copy df0: c to ram: then open a path, path ram: c then use the arc x filename or something along those lines, and it did work there. Now I get home and am having problems. I did my the Amiga Dos Manual and plan on reading it thoroughly as it should really help. According to the guy I talked to he said that as long as I stick with a single disk drive I will ALWAYS have to copy cli to my ram disk before I can use the downloaded stuff. At this point I am too confused to know better. I did copy down everything you, Keith Young, and Doug Winger so kindly informed me of so I can see how it all fits in. ARRGGHH! Make that I did "buy" the manual, Mike
#6957From: Lee SheldonAug 19, 1988 12:15 AM
Mike, Well, remember you can think of ram: as a second disk drive, IF you have enough memory, and if you remember it all goes away when the Amiga is turned off. I hope you get things sorted out. I'll be away until Monday night, but there are plenty of people here to help if you get stuck again. Lee P.S. I STILL think a second disk drive would be a good idea.
#7021From: John Sobernheim(TCR)Aug 19, 1988 10:34 AM
Mike, One thing to keep in mind as you wade through all this is that when specifying a path to a file or directory, there should not be any spaces. (Unless the file or directory name itself has some spaces, and in that case, you should quote the entire string.) When you say 'df0: c' that should be replaced by 'df0:c'. See the diff? Good luck! -John
#7423From: Terry CarrollAug 21, 1988 10:52 PM
Mike: I don't sell hardware or anything, but it gets a LOT easier if you have a second drive (and a WHOLE LOT easier {and more expensive} if that drive is a hard one). I'd seriously consider getting a second floppy. -tc
#6781From: KEITH YOUNGAug 18, 1988 3:34 AM
k3e, Again, Lee has done a good job of explaining things… and it sounds like you've got dloading under control for the time being. What you need to do is spend some time in the CLI ( click on the "CLI" Icon on your workbench disk, if you don't see it, look in the "system" drawer)… there are a few commands that are _very_ useful… to enter them, just type their name and possibly an arguement to the command. Here are a few that you'll want to play with… ( you type these at the "1>" prompt, don't type the quotes, but everything I put in the quotes)…. "dir" will give you a 'directory' of the current drive ( a list of files ) "dir df1:" would give you a list of files on an external drive if you have one "dir c:" _this_ one will give you a list of all the other commands that you use in the CLI. Gee, I just realized how drawn out this can get <grin>, but here's a few more to play with: "list", "copy df0:filename ram:" (copies a file to ram:) "cd df0:term" (this would make a directory named "term" on your internal drive the "current directory", "delete ram:filename" (yes, it does what it sounds like <grin> ), "rename ram:oldfilename ram:newfilename" (to rename a file), "copy ram:arc.exe df0:c/arc" (copies "arc.exe" from ram: to your 'c' (command) directory and renames it to "arc" while it's at it). Once you play with these some, you'll get the hang of it… also for most commands, you can type a '?' after them and get an idea of what the command want's as an arguement. Good luck, – Keith
#6826From: Mike HavelhorstAug 18, 1988 10:29 AM
Keith, Thanks again for your patience, time, and help. Like I told Lee, as soon as I put in a few hours at work I'll be back! I sure am gett ing alot of help here online which is great. Hopefully the questions will become somewhat more astute(?) as time progresses. Mike
#7434From: Terry CarrollAug 21, 1988 11:00 PM
Suggestion #2: I spent one Sunday afternoon a few years ago curled up with Compute's "Amiga DOS Reference Guide", and it was invaluable in learning how to live through the CLI. It explains the two editors, the file system, and of course, the CLI commands. MIne is at a WB 1.0 level (I'm sort of an Amiga oldtimer), but I still use it in my 1.2 environment. I don't know if it's still available (it may even have been updated for 1.2), but I thought it was great. Another suggestion is to join your local users' group. You'll find a LOT of helpful people. I spent a year as our Public Domain coordinator, and learned just about everything about the CLI that way. I also became great at PD criticism (as in a review, not as negativistic bitching), and was able to find the best PD/Shareware term pgms, CLI aids, picture viewers, etc. IMHO, you have the best Shareware term pgm (Access). -tc
#7484From: Mike HavelhorstAug 22, 1988 1:08 AM
Terry, I did go out and get the AmigaDos Manual after that was suggested by Keith Young and a few others. I have gotten lots of help here in regards to my inability to use the ARC.EXE with stuff I've downloaded. I have spent two afternoons with the manual and though I know more than I did I still am thoroughly confused as to how I do it all. All I am initially trying to do is unarc files but if I ask 4 different pe ople I get 4 different responses. I'm sure they are all correct but I just can't assimilate it all. I can't get what I need copied to RAM a nd if I do then using the arc x filename doesn't seem to work, etc. etc. Soon, soon… Mike
#7518From: Bill RogersAug 22, 1988 11:46 AM
Maybe some advise from another amateur will help. Take ARC.EXE and rename it to ARC. Copy ARC into your C directory. Then if your real lazy like me you can use one of the Directory Utilities that allows you to select an ARCed file with your mouse and then select ARC E from the menu. Hope this helps and doesn't add to your confusion. Bill
#6796From: Doug WingerAug 18, 1988 4:17 AM
Mike, OK, basics. Boot the WB, open the system drawer,and open a CLI. Exppand it to cover the entire window if you wish. Now, I assume one drive on your part, and will call it Downloads. Use the actual disk name during your typing. cd downloads: ;note the ':' which indicates a root directory. rename arc.exe Arc ; arc x lib4 ;Note also that .ARC MUST be on the end of the ; filename, but my be left off when invoking Arc. You should see 'extracting <filename>' and then the 1> should return. You should now DIR to see a listing of files on the disk. TYPE lib4 (or whatever filename arc extracted) to have it list to the CLI window, hitting any key to stop, and Backspacing to restart. Now, as long as we're here, let's set things up for later use. cd sys: ; log back to WB, which should be the COPY you ; booted with, not the release disk! delete demo#? all ; Chuck the demos and the .info files with it to ; make some space on the disk. Note the wildcard ; #? which reads 'Any number (#) of any char (?) copy downloads:Arc c: ; put Arc in the C: directory, so you can use it <continued>
#6820From: Henry ColonnaAug 18, 1988 8:39 AM
I see, so we can't do this basic operation from WorkBench? (giggle)
#6845From: Vic WagnerAug 18, 1988 1:00 PM
Henry, did you miss all of the comments about someone claiming copyright to the ARC code? We can't modifiy the program to be WB based if we wanted to. It occurs to me also, that unless you want to extract ALL files from a given .arc file, that ANY attempt to use solely the WB (or any point & click method) will sorely tax the ingenuity of both the writer of such a program (and _worse_ tax the ingenuity of the USER who will be far LESS capable of dealing with it).
#6947From: Black Belt SystemsAug 18, 1988 11:05 PM
UNless they have ARexx. <smug grin, looking at WB-driven ARC program> –Ben–
#6965From: Ron WatkinsAug 19, 1988 1:53 AM
Um, it seems like a relatively simple project to me! Just make a unARCer that puts up a file requester, "Whaddya want me to unARC?", where you select the ARC file. Then, the program would do a listing of what was in the ARC. "Which files should be unARCed? Press the ALL button for all." Finally, a requester: "Where should I put the unARCed files?" Seems like it would take no more than a week of modification of any current unARCer… <<RON>>
#7023From: Ray LambertAug 19, 1988 10:52 AM
Why not write a seperate program that would let you set-up to arc/unarc from WorkBench which would then in turn Execute() Arc with the proper command line?? Seems like that would work just fine… may even be a fun project for someone with time to blow…. Ray
#6797From: Doug WingerAug 18, 1988 4:17 AM
<continuation> ; whenever you boot from that disk. Now, lets's de-arc something to ram: as an exercise. cd ram: ; Here's where it will end up, your current ; directory arc x downloads:file.arc ; Note the path to the file, spelling out how ; the OS will look for it. dir downloads: ; some demonstrations of pathing. dir dir c:a#? cd downloads: dir ram: dir: As you can see, not too hard once you remember to path to things. If you have two drives, all the swapping you've been doing is eliminated as you just log into a directory or drive (cd df1: for instance) and let the OS keep track of where things are. If you need any further help, just yell. Doug
#6827From: Mike HavelhorstAug 18, 1988 10:35 AM
Doug, Thanks for all the information. I may never leave the keyboard at this rate, what with all the help I am receiving. I've got it all written down, and as soon as I put it all to work I will be saving it to disk instead of paper. I really appreciate the effort on your part in making this learning process as easy as possible. Thanks! Mike
#7086From: Doug WingerAug 19, 1988 9:19 PM
Mike, Always happy to help. Since I now know you have a single drive I do have some general tips/rules for you. If it's not on the WB disk, resist the temptation to PATH. Pathing is a powerful method of configuring your command set, but unless the OS can access it immediately, your "Insert Volume Bargle:" requesters will increase expontentialy. Copy your most used commands to ram: and _then_ path to that. This may seem contridictory to the above, but ram: is _always_ available. A 'copy c:copy ram:' then a 'path ram: add' will mean when you invoke COPY, you won't get the 'Insert Volume WorkBench'. Use it sparingly. Anothr method is to copy the commands you'll be using to ram: and then ASSIGNing c: to ram: This eats a lot of memory, so pick your command set with care. A simple script file in your s: directory to do it is handy. The Amiga OS is very flexible in this regard, with pathing and assigning add a great deal of power to setting things up to ease your chores. ALWAYS REMEMEBER TO PATH TO THINGS! With a single drive, the system must be told where things are. Even with multiple floppy drives and HD, pathing things out is a necesity at times, and makes use of the CLI a lot easier. Learn how to set up your Startup-Sequence. You need a text editor, but once you learn the AmigaDOS commands, you can have the system boot to _YOUR_ <continued>
#7088From: Doug WingerAug 19, 1988 9:20 PM
<continuation> taste, executing scripts, copying things to ram:, doing assigns, starting programs; all done at the beginning during boot time. If you have highly memory intensive programs, and want to save a bit of ram, you can even have the system NOT load WB, and to leave it in CLI. Lots of things are possible. Once you learn what is needed when, you might make up some special boot disks. Each one would have a different command set, and configure the system differently. Make a couple copies of WB, then go through them, eliminating things you won't need for the task at hand. I used to make 'stripper' WB disks, eliminating seldom used c: commands, extraneous printer drivers, the fonts I wouldn't be using, drivers and handlers, like narrator, and if I intended to make it a CLI disk, eliminating all the .info files and the LoadWB command. I would then add things, turning each one into a bootable disk set up with the files I _would_ be using at the time. Make a Telecommunications disk, for instance. Also, since you are going to be using pathing a lot, keep names _short!_ While Amigatech_downloads:text_type_files/original.capture may be allowed and highly descriptive, Amit=]S"JaQ{Bpt.1 is easier to type. Practice. Experiment. YU're going to make mistakes but they won't hurt anything. Make backups, so if you _do_ accidently type delete sys:c/#? you won't be more than a copy backup:c sys:c all quiet away from fixing it. You're already starting right, by asking questions. Explore, keep asking questions, and someday _you'll_ be answering the guy who asks "How do I..?" <continued>
#7135From: Mike HavelhorstAug 20, 1988 12:51 AM
Doug, I wrote down most of what you had to say so I can refer to it as I gradual become aware of all the ideas, concepts, and commands that are necessary to understand in order to get along with my Amiga. I guess I should just keep practicing and ask questions, like you said. If I repeat myself and you have to answer the same question twice it's not that I'm not paying attention, it's just that I'm probably not sure what you really told me. Thanks! Mike
#7436From: Terry CarrollAug 21, 1988 11:05 PM
Here's another suggestion that you will probably want to wait on until you're pretty familiar with the CLI, but write it down, and read it again in a couple of months: There is a great PD program called REZ. YOu tell REZ a list of CLI commands. The first time you use the command, you'll have to put the diskette with the command in, but from then on, it'll hang around in memory. Quite nice. My first 'DIR' command requires me to put in my WB disk, but all the later uses of DIR do not. Saves time and frustration on disk swapping. -tc