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#3DS Video Output

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#20191From: Martin BowringJul 28, 1992 2:37 PM
I am starting up a consultancy in Aberdeen, Scotland to provide professional 3-D Graphics and Animation. My main market will be visualisation of oil related products and equipment but I hope to cover a much wider range of commercial and media topics. 3-D Studio seems to fit the bill and I am now putting together a shopping list for hardware, software and gadgets. Some of the video technology is new to me and my local suppliers do not have much experience of this application. Can anyone give me some advice on realistically priced systems for video output? I assume I need a 24 bit video card, PAL or S-VHS output, single frame S-VHS recorder, PC controller hardware and interface such as Diaquest?? Model No's, contacts and budgets would be most appreciated M Bowring
#20199From: doug wolfgramJul 28, 1992 7:21 PM
Martin, My 3D specialist, Brett Bentley is going to the UK in late August to work on a project we have there. I am sure he wouldn't mind visiting Abderdeen for a couple of days and working with you on 3DS if you are interested. He is fully capable of training if you want. The only remuneration necessary would be some basic expenses once he got there like room and a train ticket from England. If you are interested in spedning some time with a well-known 3D Studio person, let us know!
#20320From: Martin BowringJul 30, 1992 3:47 PM
Doug, That is a very generous offer and Brett would be most welcome. I would be pleased to provide a room, food and the price of a train ticket. I don't expect training but a discussion on the limitations and possibilities of 3DS would be extremely useful at this stage. Aberdeen and the surrounding area is also nice to visit if Brett has any spare time. The timing is fine by me. I am just completing the legal part of setting up a company and expect to have at least the computer and software by mid August. I finish my present job on the 28th August then travel to Ireland for a week's relaxation before starting on this venture. I can make time free as necessary on any other dates. If this is of interest, let me know and we can firm up on some arrangements. Martin
#20578From: doug wolfgramAug 3, 1992 12:24 PM
Thanks so much. I have noted your PPN and will keep you posted. He will be spending some time in Uffington and will probably journey north from there…
#20213From: MARTIN G FOSTERJul 29, 1992 3:24 AM
Martin, I'm an English chap living in Southern California freelancing in 3d graphics and animation. I'll give some suggestions and prices in US dollars and you can convert, OK? 486/50, 32mb RAM, 650mb hardisk, 16" multisync monitor, cd-rom ($5000) Targa+ 16/32 framebuffer ($1995) Diaquest dq422 vtr controller ($2500) Panasonic AG7750 S-VHS VTR ($6000) or Sony VO-9650 Hi-8 ($5000) That's a decent system to start you off with. I have all that plus another system (486/33 with weitek co-processor 16mb RAM) and a Gigatrend 1.2gb DAT backup unit and some more hardisks. I do not have a VTR because: 1) clients always request different formats so I'd probably have to take my system to a video post-production facility to lay to tape anyway. 2) I can't afford it. 3) If I really had to buy one I'd buy the Sony PVW2800 Betacam SP (higher end format) or a Sony LVR5000 recordable laserdisk. Actually, none of my clients have ever asked for s-vhs or hi-8. It's usually 3/4" SP, 1", or Betacam SP but that's usually because my animation will be edited in post-production with other video, such as live footage. Finally, don't waste your money on cheap frame buffers, targa+ is an industry standard. If you can get around buying a VTR you can always take your files to a service bureau to lay to tape. Here's some phone numbers: Truevision (800)858-TRUE Diaquest (415)526-7167
#20321From: Martin BowringJul 30, 1992 3:49 PM
Martin, Thanks for the info. I am starting to make sense of this and to my relief my initial budget is not yet shot. I intended a 486/50 but with 1/2 your memory and disk. CD seems useful due to the extras on the 3DS CD. I have seen adverts for the Targa and will dig out the mags. I suspect it will suffer from 1 to 1 dollar/sterling exchange. What exactly is the Diaquest dq422, and will the Targa output a PAL friendly signal? I've spoken to a couple of local video companies and your comments on the VTR make sense. There is lot of high quality equipment available here as the offshore inspection industry has strict specifications. I should be able to hire something to experiment with and find someone to work with on quality output.
#20350From: MARTIN G FOSTERJul 31, 1992 1:19 AM
Martin, The diaquest dq422 is just a hardware vtr controller to allow controlling of the edit deck from the computer. I don't know how PAL/NTSC would affect it, although the dq422 can provide a sync signal. Anyway, a friendly dealer should be able to sort you out. Equipped with the targa+ and a diaquest controller you should be able to just take your whole system and hook up to your local, friendly video production company's decks – either that or rent (hire) a deck. Another suggestion: you might be able to barter equipment rental or usage in exchange for some animation production. I did just that with a local cable TV company to produce my first demo tape and no money changed hands – I did them a couple of TV ads and they helped my lay to tape, edit, add music and voice over etc. That was on 3/4" SP equipment but my next demo tape is going to be on either Betacam SP or D2 (much higher end formats) if I can arrange another barter deal. Also, it's very important that you come up with a demo video, otherwise it will be almost impossible to get contracts. Do some material for the type of market you're targeting, even if it's made up, and don't plagiarize other peoples stuff (that will get you a bad reputation when people find out – and they will). I did a bit of everything on my first: architectural, engineering, product visualization, fantasy, company logos etc. Good luck – keep us informed. PS. You'll soon wish you got more hard disk space (and RAM) especially doing broadcast stuff – 25 seconds of animation can take up 500mb, no problem.
#20509From: Martin BowringAug 2, 1992 3:31 PM
I intend to use the first couple of months just as you suggest, preparing a sales portfolio. I have lined up some engineering projects with oil company contacts and offered to do some modelling for free. Hopefully they will want to use it commercially and buy it! Your cable company suggestion is good. We have one of the few UK cable franchises here in Aberdeen. A number of years ago I made a short program under their community TV scheme. It was awful. I hope they don't remember me when I call. Thanks for your support Martin Bowring – Image Blueprint
#20528From: MARTIN G FOSTERAug 2, 1992 6:49 PM
Martin, You seem to be doing the right things, as far as getting started in the "biz". You may have to give some stuff away or do some speculative projects at first until you get established – I did (and still do on occasion). A couple more suggestions: 1) Frequent this forum and ask your questions here. There are many working professionals who will give you unbiased advice. If you don't have it already get some software for Compuserve (e.g. Tapcis, Compuserve Info Manager etc) which will optimize your on-line time to avoid hefty charges. You can download the messages you want and upload your replies in a batch process and read the messages and compose replies off-line at your leisure. 2) Even if you don't buy lots of memory and disk make sure your system will allow the addition of at least 64mb memory (I got stuck with a motherboard that would only take 16mb – disastrous!) and make sure your disk controller will allow you to add more hardisks (I recommend SCSI controllers – they can typically accept up to 7 devices). Keep your options open! That's it for now. Keep in touch and ask questions. BTW, engineering is a great field to get involved in – IMHO they pay good money for animations since it's not new for them to use it; architecture, on the other hand, is tough since animation is somewhat new in that field and the recession is hurting construction. Martin PS I don't know about the "SPEA" card you mentioned. I tend to feel it's better to go with the industry standard (targa+). Does it have RGB, composite, S-video input AND output? The targa+ does.
#20593From: Martin BowringAug 3, 1992 3:17 PM
Today's success story. Went to see my accountant and have swopped a model of his impressive converted granite church office for my first year's fees. I'll keep you updated. Martin Bowring – Image Blueprint
#20415From: CSA/CAJul 31, 1992 5:43 PM
Martin, Truevision has a PAL-compatible version of the Targa+, just more expensive. The Targa+ 16/32 PAL lists for $2995. I'd also be glad to help you, but the Doug Wolfgram's offer is less expensive. I wouldn't charge for my time, but you'd have to pay airfare, and dig up some Guinness on tap, since I'm not that hot on whisky. Kevin Krell – Computer Support Associates
#20510From: Martin BowringAug 2, 1992 3:32 PM
I'll have to turn down your kind offer. Next month I am going to an Irish wedding reception followed by a week in Donegal and Galway. Have you ever tasted the real Guinness? I'm still tracking down the Targa cards. My supplier suggests the SPEA Hi-Lite card with a TVX converter (1395 + 350 Pds) and a TIGA driver. The Radius Multiview 24 and VideoLogic Rapier 24 also have some good reviews. Anyone experience of these cards. Martin Bowring – Image Blueprint
#20591From: Grahame NaylorAug 3, 1992 1:37 PM
Martin I feel I must butt in to all this transatlantic advice (pace Martin F.) you are getting and give you a bit of a shock the ONLY truly suitable card for anybody operating in the PAL environment is the ATVista 4M. This is because of the extra memory requirements of a full PAL frame 740×578 versus NTSC (less lines). Most other cards with PAL options, SPEA, RAPIER etc were initially designed for Hi-Res rather than TV, they'll probably come on and deny it but that IS their historical bias. In particular they (certainly the Rapier) do not do full PAL frame grabs I find this an essential part of using the system. The Targa+ I cannot comment about except that it does not have the same functionality in PAL as it does in NTSC, this is dealer feedback and a Truevision dealer would probably point you at the Vista. If you want to see Vistas in action then give me a call and come and see us next time you visit the Smoke (assuming you do visit occasionally). Grahame Magic Lantern Ltd. 071-480-6811
#20596From: Martin BowringAug 3, 1992 3:18 PM
Ah! News from the home front. This card problem obviously needs some careful consideration. Every time I see a dealer and mention PAL they go shifty and talk about follow up and service support rates. Today's story was of site that had tried Targa, binned it, and gone for a Hercules Graphic station. The reason given was that the frequency was too low, which ties in with your comments. Mind you this was followed by the suggestion that DOS would not address more than 16mb? I recognise the ATVista name but since the wife threw out my rotting pile of PC mags I have trouble finding telephone numbers. Can you oblige? What business are you involved in? I know London well but my globetrotting days may well be over for a bit. But there is a good Inter City Super Saver Weekend Off-Peak …… Martin Bowring – Image Blueprint