CompuServe Thread

#wishing well

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#21495From: sherwood egbertAug 14, 1992 12:04 AM
ok all get this …. this will blow you away…. i have this cliet that wants 30 mins of a walk through to video tape but wants to be able to joystick back and forth between rooms in the house! he is building a 55 million dollor house in beverly hills and is one of the biggest developers of shopping malls in the U.S. and hid H ouse is going to be just like a shopping mall… amazing what i want to know is there any software out there that will allow tou to do this on a computer(of course not on video) short of virtual reality? and allow you the 24 bit images and clarity that you can get with 3ds2 or say alias. i was thinking of the new ibm risc 7000 with there parallel i860's in real time but still you would have to have a computer to see the result! any suggestions would be mucho appreciated… since this guy might be in the state hospital soon<g> … but his wallet is open … lets see 250 a sec X 30 X 60 x 30 ! sherwood
#21507From: Mark ChambersAug 14, 1992 2:08 AM
Sherwood- The new buzz around here is CDI (Compact Disk Interactive). The players cost $750 (consumer) to $1500(industrial, both from Phillips) and you basically put together an entire multimedia presentation on CD. There would be no moving around in real time (ala Virtual Reality) as far as you couldn't control where you were walking with the joystick, but you could interactivly control the rooms that you go to and when you pick a room, you would see a MM presentation on that room. I understand they now have fullframe, full motion video on these things, although the best I have seen is 15 fps, full frame. It's essentially the same as having a MM presentation on a CD Rom, except no high dollar computer is needed to view the presentation, just the CDI player and a TV. Don't know if this will help or not, but if you need more info, you can call Bob Howard at BCD Associates, (405) 843-4574. -Mark
#21516From: Yost GroupAug 14, 1992 9:59 AM
Sherwood, Believe it or not, your client can get what he wants, with 3D Studio models and OFF THE SHELF HARDWARE, right NOW! At Siggraph, a VR start-up company called Straylight showed a PC-based system called PhotoVR that's based on the Intel DVI/i860 boardset. For about $7000, you can throw the system in any PC, and then load up ANY 3D Studio model (no matter how complex). It'll process the model overnight, and then it'll let you run around inside of it at 15 fps with a joystick. That's with shadows, reflections, and everything. The resolution is comparable to flic res, and with the displays inside of the helmet, it looks pretty amazing. Straylight's number is 908/580/0086. Ask for Tony Ash. – G
#21596From: sherwood egbertAug 15, 1992 6:52 PM
holy bat sh*t Mr. Yost thats great news!!!! thanks for the info. i will contact tony on monday and see what its going to take to get this neet little toy. again thanks alot! sherwood
#21626From: Yost GroupAug 16, 1992 1:55 PM
And what's truly great about the Straylight stuff is that it really really works… (amazing, when it comes to VR rigs) Please keep me informed as to your experiences with it. Thanks, – G
#21683From: sherwood egbertAug 17, 1992 3:56 PM
talked to scott today over there and boy do i want it now! they quoted 5000 for the board and software, the board is based on the intel 750(dvi) , 2000 for the tracker, 6000 for the headset- although you can use a joy stick instead. he said that the images are very clear and rendered to 256×240 and are heavly dithered. it played back at 4 to 8 frames a sec with shadows, reflections and all. you can also link realities together by fli or flc files so the transitions are smooth. all and all i'm very excited to get this stuff in here. it really seems to open up walkthroughs to a new level of realizim! thanks for the tip. sherwood
#21714From: Yost GroupAug 17, 1992 10:04 PM
It sounds like you've got a lot of new stuff to explore. Please keep me posted, Sherwood. – G
#21522From: Mike MorrisonAug 14, 1992 10:30 AM
I can do it. The question is exactly how much control does he need? If he wants realtime texture mapped polygons, then contact Sense8 @ (415) 331-9148. If he would be satisfied with the "railroad" tour of his future home (but still interactive, aka 7th Guest) go for 3DS and Grasp. -MM
#21597From: sherwood egbertAug 15, 1992 6:54 PM
he wants total control. Gary Yost suggested photoVR. so i will be checking that route out, but thanks for the suggestions, mucho appreciado sherwood
#21567From: MARTIN G FOSTERAug 15, 1992 1:35 AM
Sherwood, I favour the interactive laser-disk based approach for 30fps 24-bit colour. But, of course, it would have to be pre-rendered and have a pretty extensive interface, like a computer game. That's the only way you'll get that quality, though – anything less is going to be low-quality flic type stuff. Martin
#21598From: sherwood egbertAug 15, 1992 6:56 PM
do you have any info on software/hardware to put together something like this on laser disk? thanks sherwood
#21676From: MARTIN G FOSTERAug 17, 1992 2:30 PM
Sherwood Not yet. I'm looking into it for my client who is interested in doing hi-quality (24-bit 30fps) interactive walkthroughs of expensive homes. I also hear a lot of these requests now for virtual reality type walkthroughs. I thought you were investigating laser disk based systems for doctors? Sony makes a PC with a laser-disk and touch screen monitor built in and they also make different level laser disks with RS232c control. Many programs now seem to allow script control of laser disks, I just don't know the names of any. Martin
#21743From: doug wolfgramAug 18, 1992 10:06 AM
Yea, but are they really willing to pay what it costs? A decent walk-through would cost $20-30K to produce professionally, and maybe more. Most real-estate guys I have talked to figure for a couple of thousand they should get something neat…
#21661From: David TaffetAug 17, 1992 10:28 AM
Virtus Walkthrough on the Macintosh (a high-end one) can do what you're talking about (but not on a tape, obviously). Whether it can do it in 24-bit or not, I'm not sure, but I can find out easily enough, if you'd like, by asking one of the artists here where I work. He has Virtus and would know. I guess you'd have to rent the Mac, but it sounds like this guy eats Third-World countries for breakfast, so just buy one and bill him. David Taffet