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#Amazing Amiga

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#108775From: Tom JonesJul 31, 1993 8:29 AM
September? Great, last one I have is July. But I can see their point very clearly. I just walked down the computer isle in a major office supply store today and tried out the computers. While Amigas were not there (of course) I was very unimpressed with the windows 486/33mhz boxes which had me reclicking the icons thinking the idiot didn't know I had pressed the mouse button they were so slow. No competition here for my Amiga. On the next isle however was a Mac Performa 450 with similar specs to my own 2000/GVP3001/8mb machine. We are talking 68030/25mhz/4mb/120mbHD. We are talking 256 color, with keyboard, with microphone, with vga quality 640×480 monitor, and with fax modem. We are talking a snappy and responsive machine too, not a slug. We are talking a suite of business software included, from WP works and amer her. dict to checkfree and touchbase (you could run a small business) and we are talking a total price of $1467.00!!!! If CBM doesn't get on their giddy up and get to work the competiton is going to eat them for breakfast. It is getting bad out there folks. Tom AGA means "Amiga is Going Again" { Internet: jonest@hfsi.com 1:147/2020.5@fidonet }
#108810From: Richard EricksonJul 31, 1993 5:13 PM
I just looked at the same type of store. I too was not impressed with the 486/33 with Windows machines. While I did look at the Performa, and like the hardware, the OS that is on the Mac was not overly impressive. To me the operating system is what sets the Amiga above the Mac and PCs. I do agree that unless CBM gets their corporate heads out of the sand, they are going to get them chopped off. Richard -> via the Amiga 1000 AutoPilot
#108839From: Tom JonesAug 1, 1993 12:18 AM
Yes, the 7.1 OS, all 2mb of it, is not that impressive compared to Ados, but what is impressive is the savvy they showed in putting a full suite of business programs bundled with it. That is marketing, what CBM does not have unfortunately. Tom AGA means "Amiga is Going Again" { Internet: jonest@hfsi.com 1:147/2020.5@fidonet }
#108873From: Richard EricksonAug 1, 1993 11:28 AM
I agree with you there, Apple is very good on marketing. Richard -> via the Amiga 1000 AutoPilot
#108910From: Wayne ColeAug 1, 1993 4:16 PM
…and now NT is rumored to require 30 MB main memory and 200 meg of HD. The competition keeps handing CBM a marketting angle on the proverbial golden platter, but CBM marketers are too stupid or too timid to do battle with the ammo MicroSoft and Apple place in thei laps! wmc – via Autopilot!
#108962From: Steve J. PetersAug 1, 1993 11:15 PM
NT is very big, but there is no need to lie … NT doesn't require anywhere near 30 MB of memory or 200 MB of disk. Early versions supported 16 MB and 100 MB, every version has lowered the memory and disk requirements. Steve Peters
#108982From: Dale LarsonAug 2, 1993 6:21 AM
You mean every version since they went from 8 to 16. Dale Larson – An Amiga Software Engineer with some time on his hands.
#109101From: Wayne ColeAug 2, 1993 9:54 PM
Steve, This is information given to me by an NT developer/tester who, admittedly, is unimpressed with it. It may be that it will boot into 16 but needs at least 30 to do anything useful. When O/S-2 came out they actually said it required 2 meg to run. But that was the only thing that could run. Wanted to run an application? Had to get at least 2 more meg. The other comment made was, "..it'll turn a screaming '486 into a whimpering mutt… wmc – via Autopilot!
#109099From: Tom JonesAug 2, 1993 9:46 PM
Right and I notice Byte magazine this month is screaming out against the "fatware" on PC clones that just gets bigger and bigger and requires ever faster machines with ever more storage. They ain't seen nuttin yet. I believe Microsoft has talked about versions fo NT for all sizes of machines though, Bill Gates spoke recently about versions planned even for palmtops. This is a major interest to all computer businesses now since they see Newton type personal pocket computers that can update their files from any node or PC they pass( via radio links) as the wave of the future. I am sure I remember Gates mentioning that too. Personally I hope the personal communicator and the universal O/S comes to pass in my lifetime, it would be fantastic. Unhappily it was not the 100mph+ Stanley Steamer but the lowly cheap Model T that won the horseless buggy race. The same could happen to the universal O/S. I have watched some great PC's go that way already. Remember the "Torch" and the "Sinclair QL" from England that predicted the Amiga? The very best rarely is the long term winner in technology. Tom AGA means "Amiga is Going Again" { Internet: jonest@hfsi.com 1:147/2020.5@fidonet }
#109161From: David Schmitt [Baler]Aug 3, 1993 10:32 AM
>Sinclair QL Now THAT is a blast from the past! 160k floppy tape drives, networking, and windowing BASIC built in. I remember when Lattice was working on the C compiler for that little beastie. It was a fun machine.
#108917From: Brian BartlettAug 1, 1993 5:02 PM
Tom, I have the same installation as yourself, and I was not impressed with the Preforma 450 at all. I kept wondering why the mouse seemed to have a lag in it as well as the slow load time of the applications. The overall responsiveness of the programs themselves was poor, at best. Guess I'm stuck with the Amiga, or a high-end workstation, 'cause I can't stand a machine that doesn't stand up and scream. Brian
#109098From: Tom JonesAug 2, 1993 9:45 PM
Brian Quite right, I think after going down a row of MsDos windows machines the Performa 450 looked a lot better to me. If there had been a 4000 after that the Performa would have been the cheaper but not the best…except for the software bundled with it. Would CBM ever (1) get a BizMart type store to carry their machine or (2) be able to offer a 4000/30 bundled with WP/DB/Spreadsheet/telecom/desktop util package for $1300 including the monitor and modem? Yes, they could, but they likely never will. Tom AGA means "Amiga is Going Again" { Internet: jonest@hfsi.com 1:147/2020.5@fidonet }
#109237From: Ron LegroAug 3, 1993 9:07 PM
I'd love to see a face-off between a Quadra and an A4000 equipped with an Emplant. — Ron Legro, Milwaukee via AUTOPILOT (the only way to fly)
#109443From: Tom JonesAug 5, 1993 10:17 AM
Not quite, the Quadra can meet and maybe exceed a 4000/40 on it's own turf. Now we could make the 4000/30 look good against a Performa 450 I think. Tom AGA means "Amiga is Going Again" { Internet: jonest@hfsi.com 1:147/2020.5@fidonet }
#109468From: Ron LegroAug 5, 1993 12:12 PM
You put an A4000 against a Mac Quadra, both with exactly the same CPU, and the A4000 will eat the Quadra's lunch. Speaking of the 4000/40, this just in from those breathless folks at Motorola (via the Executive News Service here on CIS; I read it before replying to your message and clipboarded it here): AUSTIN, TEXAS (JULY 29) PR NEWSWIRE – Motorola's (NYSE: MOT) High Performance Microprocessor Division today announced that its 68040 microprocessors provide the processing power for Apple(R) Computer Inc.'s (NASDAQ: AAPL) newest Macintosh(R) personal computers, the Macintosh Quadra(tm) 840AV and Macintosh Centris(tm) 660 AV. The new Macintosh offerings unite telecommunications, video and speech technologies on a desktop computer for the first time. [PERSONAL NOTE: OH, REALLY?] The inclusion of the Motorola 68040 significantly boosts the performance levels of these new Apple systems. "With the 40-MHz 68040, Motorola continues to provide high performance options that allow Apple to expand its product lines with consideration for high performance and low cost," said Jack Browne, vice president and director, M68000 high-performance marketing. "By incorporating the robust 40-MHz 68040 into Apple's new systems, Apple is providing their customers access to impressive processing speeds at a reasonable price." […blah, blah, blah etc.] Intriguing that Motorola sees the need to hype the 40mhz '040 as a Mac innovation, but not as an Amiga feature. Methinks Apple wrote this for them. I can just see the next Motorola PR Newswire release: "Motorola today announced it could give a rat's ass about the Amiga…" — Ron Legro, Milwaukee via AUTOPILOT (the only way to fly)
#109480From: Dale LarsonAug 5, 1993 2:47 PM
Yeah, OH REALLY. Last I checked, the Amiga didn't come with a DSP or networking and software to use them (software like teleconferencing) *out of the box*. These new AV systems are way cool, especially since they are supposed to cost the same or less than equivalent non-AV Macs! I'm 90% sure that Motorola put out the same type of press announcements when Commodore shipped the A3000 and the A4000. Dale Larson – An Amiga Software Engineer with some time on his hands.
#109527From: Paul HigginbottomAug 5, 1993 10:11 PM
Ron, I won't be around to see the rest of this thread, but let me assure you, these new Macs ARE a big deal. First of all, no Amiga has a 40MHz 040. Second, the speech, telecommunications, and video processing are made possible by the inclusion of an AT&T DSP3210 on the motherboard. This is a first for a personal computer (not including NeXT) and just what Apple needs to differentiate itself from the endless lines of PCs. The DSP should be able to provide all kinds of neat capabilities. Don't be so hasty in assuming every new development is something that's already been done on an Amiga. It isn't. Paul. .
#109564From: Mark D. ManesAug 6, 1993 10:35 AM
Tis a shame too, Commodore has talked publically of a DSP for the A4000. Where the heck is it? Vaporland. -mark= Otto Pilot Engaged..
#109566From: Early Bender-WerthAug 6, 1993 11:11 AM
I believe DSP chips are also in all current Silicon Graphics machines. Early
#109568From: Steve AhlstromAug 6, 1993 11:29 AM
Paul, It's no big deal — other than Apple getting it to market. What was it? Denver Devcon in '91 that Commodore showed the 3000Plus that included on motherboard DSP (the same ATT/Western Electric unit as the one Apple is using) and built-in network? It was "6 months away from dealer shelves". Commodore, again, blew it. -sja
#109576From: Dale LarsonAug 6, 1993 1:14 PM
Even if it had been released, it wouldn't have been bundled with the very cool software. Dale Larson – An Amiga Software Engineer with some time on his hands.
#109580From: Steve AhlstromAug 6, 1993 3:05 PM
Dale, True — but it's now 2 years later — that "very cool" software would more than likely be available. It did have some nice software for the telecomm Codex.
#109595From: Robby CookeAug 6, 1993 6:26 PM
The Atari Falcon030 has a DSP on it's motherboard too.I don't think its the AT&T one though. -Rob
#109607From: Dale LarsonAug 6, 1993 8:47 PM
It's basically an audio-only DSP, in part because it is fixed-point. Dale Larson – An Amiga Software Engineer with some time on his hands.
#109558From: Soft-Logik Tech SupportAug 6, 1993 8:44 AM
Ron: the new AV series Macs are very cool. The Caspar voice recognition software sounds very neat. Michael @ Soft-Logik Publishing Corp.
#109709From: Tom JonesAug 7, 1993 4:31 PM
I guess it is to be expected that Mot would be in bed with Apple when they are part of the "keiretsu" IBM, Motorola, and Apple are trying to form. I think it is time for Sun, Dec, CBM, and a few others to form their own block and include Motorola in it too. Seems to be the way to go right now, even the GM's and IBM's are doing it. Speaking of Apple speech, wonder if CBM is working on a new speech module to work with the DSP as a replacement for speak-handler? Tom Okie from dang near everywhere. AGA means "Amiga is Going Again" { Internet: jonest@hfsi.com 1:147/2020.5@fidonet }
#109802From: Ron LegroAug 8, 1993 2:43 PM
Novell (which acquired Digital Research) is trying to form a block too. DR had a deal going with Berkeley Softworks, maker of GEOWorks. DR DOS has hooks into GEOWorks or vice versa. — Ron Legro, Milwaukee via AUTOPILOT (the only way to fly)
#110246From: Tom JonesAug 12, 1993 6:18 PM
I like the sound of that merger, Ron, you can't find two better companies. I can just see a few of these highly motivated little companies ganging up and waiting for signs of old age from Microsoft so they can dash in and stomp on her eggs. GeoWorks and DrDos are both better than MS. BTW some guy is selling GeoWorks packages on the fidonet computersale echo for $10.00 each with docs in shrinkwrap. Not the crippled sampler either, or so he claims. Says he has hundreds. Tom AGA means "Amiga is Going Again" { Internet: jonest@hfsi.com 1:147/2020.5@fidonet }
#110318From: Ron LegroAug 13, 1993 2:08 PM
That's probably GeoWorks 1.2 or GeoWorks Pro, now that version 2.0 is out. Still, quite a remarkable deal at any price. — Ron Legro, Milwaukee via AUTOPILOT (the only way to fly)
#109236From: Ron LegroAug 3, 1993 9:07 PM
My aging A2400 runs the Spliner screenblanker about twice as fast as what I've seen on of 486s at the stores — the difference, of course, is that my A2500 is usually also multitasking something at the time! <g> — Ron Legro, Milwaukee via AUTOPILOT (the only way to fly)