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#Imagine starts working!

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#60778From: Michael C. NielsenJul 26, 1993 5:29 PM
I moved this thread from the NewTek forum over to hear. Peter, thanks for getting me going. I finally got to page 172 in the Imagine manual and found out that I had to click on the "NEW" button in the project editor window to get to the output choices. Ohmygawd. How in the world do these guys stay in business? Anyway, I got my PC version of Imagine today and now I am cooking on both the Amiga 3000 and my clone 486-33. The clone is a bit faster. Is your plan to generate sequences of 24 bit ILBM files on the PC and then null modem them to the Amiga for compiling as DCTV anims? The PC version is uncannily close to the Amiga version. You can't use any DOS6's EMM386.EXE. I find I have no problem just rem-ing that line from my start up sequence. I notice on the Amiga version that when I call up DCTV as the output format in full overscan (736×482) that things really slow down quite a bit. I wonder if it makes more sense to generate a 24 bit ILBM and then convert it with DCTV itself? Is the Imagine movie version worth rendering in? Is it any better than a DCTV 4 bit anim in anim7 format?
#60792From: Peter GreciJul 26, 1993 11:26 PM
Imagine version Anims are kinda useless IMHO tho they are EASILY editable in a Text Editor but are incompatable with everything. Yes I plan to Null modem or possibly Ethernet the Amiga and Clone together to share files.
#60834From: Anthony RamirezJul 27, 1993 4:36 PM
>I notice on the Amiga version that when I call up DCTV as the output >format in full overscan (736×482) that things really slow down quite a >bit. What other format are you comparing it to? HAM? If so the answer is simply, HAM is Lores (320 pixels wide) while DCTV is Hi-res (640 pixels). More pixels slow down rendering. >I wonder if it makes more sense to generate a 24 bit ILBM and then >convert it with DCTV itself? You will spend the time converting 24-bit files to DCTV as well, so if you are only going to DCTV then I would suggest to render directly to that format. >Is the Imagine movie version worth rendering in? I would have to say, No. It is not that it is bad, just no support as far as viewers go. <<< Tony D. Tracer >>>
#60878From: Peter GreciJul 28, 1993 2:26 PM
It's better to render at IFF24 then convert to DCTV as the Imageprocessors do a better job of it than Imagine does. Not a Huge Difference but noticeable
#61004From: Anthony RamirezJul 30, 1993 7:43 PM
>It's better to render at IFF24 then convert to DCTV as the >Imageprocessors do a better job of it than Imagine does. You are right but I thinking more in terms of a person with limited resources and/or knowledge. It is also faster to go directly to DCTV but you will loose slightly. <<< Tony D. Tracer >>>
#61038From: Peter GreciJul 31, 1993 12:48 PM
Ahhh Very True. It will save space if you have only a small HD if you Render Directly as DCTV mode images than to do the IFF24's
#60926From: jeff HolinskiJul 29, 1993 2:51 AM
The rendering system in Imagine makes a lot of sense if you thing about it. You start a New rendering subproject and get the requester to set your resolution. You can modify the subproject and reset the resolution or start a New subproject. This way you can have one project rendered in lo-res scanline and have another project in hi-res trace for your final animation. I've been using DCTV with Imagine for quite a while. If you're short on HD space it makes more sense to render to DCTV. Imagine writes a 24 bit file to the DCTV.library which converts it to a DCTV image and stores it to the disk. The DCTV files are a lot smaller than the 24 bit files would be so you can save a lot of hard drive space doing this. For some animations you can save a lot of time by rendering lo-res 24 bit images and converting them to DCTV. (Imagine can't save lo-res DCTV images) Playback speed can also be a consideration. I often render 24 bit images and convert them to DCTV in Overscan-lace-4 bit, then Overscan-no-lace-4 bit, then Overscan-no-lace-3 bit. Since I'm starting with a hi-res 24 bit image I can just keep decreasing the quality of the DCTV images till I get decent playback speed without re-rendering. The only advantage of using the Imagine movie format is that you can loop certain parts of the anim. For instance: You've modeled a torando and you want to do an anim of the camera backing away from it. You make the anim 400 frames. The first 200 are of the torando spinning and the second 200 are of the camera backing away. Render as an Imagine movie and edit the text file to make the first 200 frames loop 5 times then play the last 200. This way you get a good look at the torando before the camera backs away. You get an effective playback of 1200 frames but you only had to render 400. :^)
#60938From: Peter GreciJul 29, 1993 2:47 PM
BTW Jeff, I uploaded a 100 frame DCTV anim last night to Amigaarts area if you'd like to see a example of some of my work. 640K download. filename is Armoury.LHA
#60995From: David HofmannJul 30, 1993 4:57 PM
Hi Peter, have you ever made any .FLI or FLC files? I have a PC so I can't play any Amiga files, but I would like to see some animations made with Imagine. TIA -David
#61034From: Peter GreciJul 31, 1993 12:15 PM
I've only done 1 FLC so far, it used the BD-Girl object(been having alot of trouble with Commercial objects turning up in PD download areas lately haven't I?) and had the Camera Zoomed in on her Rear while she went thru a Walk Cycle. I no longer have a copy of the FLC tho. It is Available for Download on a NY area BBS tho, the BBS is called Insprivision and is a IBM/Clone based BBS. their phone # is 718-854-6411
#60952From: Michael C. NielsenJul 29, 1993 8:40 PM
Jeff thanks for the tips on Imagine. I have been having many crashes on my PC version of Imagine 2.0. I hope 3.0 is more stable. Everything I do eventually ends up in DCTV 3 or 4 bitplane anims, so your tips about generating DCTV frames makes a lot of sense. Do yo compile the frames with rend24?
#61165From: jeff HolinskiAug 2, 1993 8:00 PM
I have used Rend24 to convert my anims to DCTV. I haven't had time or hard drive space to do any anims for a while. I've also used a custom program I hacked together a couple of years ago to do the same job. (I prefer Rend24 though)