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#PHAR LAP ERROR 10034

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#52238From: Robert J.P SmithAug 5, 1993 6:03 PM
help is all I can say! I'm in the middle of a drawing…have rendered to screen about 15 times and may have passed the 13 megs available (Have 16 megs of ram and may have left Smrtdrv on it)… anyway!.. it's in the middle of rendering and it just stops and goes back to the dos prompt: c:\3ds2\maps and shows: "Phar lap error 1034 386| vmm error reading exp file or dated file mapped in virtual memory…" I have to reboot the computer since the screen is at a low resolution and no graphics program like QEMM or 3DS will appear.. If this is a conflict as someone mentioned a month ago, why is it so infrequent then it hits me twice today.,. of course all the changes to the project are lost since I didnt save.. have to start up and it does it again.,.Sooo.. does anyone have a good suggestion or even the phone number of the famous Phar lap? whatever they or that is?(someone suggested a conflict between my Adaptec 1742A controller and the rest of my software? I know all you big pro's are still coming home from SIGGRAPH but help..
#52292From: ALAN IGLESIASAug 6, 1993 3:53 AM
Robert, Consult the Installation and Performance Guide's memory usage section to find out EXACTLY how much RAM you are going to need to finish your rendering. Then make absolutely SURE that your swap drive can support it. You might de-frag your hard drive too, as this helps the VMM do it's stuff. You really shouldn't have SmartDrive running with 3DS, especially if you start to swap. Disable it and start with as clean a configuration as possible. Let us know how you do… -Alan Iglesias
#52483From: Aug 7, 1993 12:02 PM
Robert: >> of course all the changes to the project are lost since I didn't save Always save before rendering an animation! Even a power outage in the middle of the night will do this to you, and a frustrated animator is the result!
#52521From: Robert J.P SmithAug 7, 1993 9:43 PM
Too bad 3D Studio doesnt have a feature like Word Perfect has, where you can arrange that the "save function" happens at whatever interval you want.. every few minutes or whatever.. But to return to the problem of that PHar lap notice.. why is it that when I render to the screen a .tga drawing i'm working on, it goes up by 3 megs each time until it gets to the max ram I have of 16 meg (available says 14,000 available) 2 then 4 then 7 then 9 etc.. till 14 then it starts to page to disk.. that I understand is basically a lack of Ram … But why if I go into keyframer, give it say 30 frames (.tga) and render to disk they go up to about 9 megs and stay there…Why does one chew all my ram so fast and the other stabilize after a few megs?
#52533From: Aug 8, 1993 12:39 AM
Robert: >> Why does one chew all my ram so fast and the other stabilize after a few >> megs? I haven't a clue! This one is for the Yost Group! Gary, Jack? Greg Pyros
#52545From: Yost GroupAug 8, 1993 11:46 AM
Robert, once you _start_ paging to disk, Phar Lap automatically increases the size of the swap file. If you haven't started paging, and you have a reproducible situation in which RAM usage increases with subsequent renders, please send me a test case. – G
#52597From: Robert J.P SmithAug 8, 1993 7:47 PM
Robert, once you _start_ paging to disk, Phar Lap automatically increases the size of the swap file. If you haven't started paging, and you have a reproducible situation in which RAM usage increases with subsequent renders, please send me a test case. Sorry again for being slow on the uptake but the paging to disk I understand as part of the setup ONCE all the RAM is used & the only way to avoid that problem is to buy more RAM (too costly right now..) For the project I'm on, the RAM usage increases substantially after each render to screen..say I adjust a light and want to see the effect so I render, but after checking RAM used, it might be 3 megs gone…The Project file started paging to disk after 6 renders to screen but when I went into keyframer and rendered to disk 30 frames with a camera pan to show movement the memory used stayed at 9 megs..(I had not reset the program so I assume if I had done so the memory used would have been even less.. .tga image with defaults = before first render: 14,936 available used 2572 (upon loading it) after one render to screen: 7916 used after 2nd render " " : 8926 " " 3rd " " " : 9796 " " 4th " " " : 9652 " " 5th " " " : 14,296 " " 6th " " " : 14896 and it was SWap file : 532 and Page faults : 728 So If you want to look at it .. 1) where do I send the file 2) do you want the PROJECT file to look at? 3) what conference do I send it into or should it be sent by E-mail? Thanks for any advice
#52656From: Yost GroupAug 9, 1993 10:22 AM
I'd be interested in seeing the file to see if it's a problem with your hardware/operating environment. Please zip up the prj file with a text file explaining the problem (ie, the previous email) and email it as a binary file to my ID# via Easyplex. Note that you're going to have to zip it with whatever maps it needs to render. Make sure that I've got EVERYTHING necessary. Thanks. – G
#52555From: david W. mennenohAug 8, 1993 1:32 PM
Robert, Intersting problem. What video driver are you using? I know older versions of Vibrants DL-Xpress would do something similair. You could render an image like 5 times or something then it would start acting up. Just a thought. Dave Mennenoh
#52599From: Robert J.P SmithAug 8, 1993 8:34 PM
Hi Dave, looked into my setup and noted the following concerning the Video Driver..says ATI 28800 DL-XPRESS version 2.12 oct 6 1992 Do you know if there is a more recent one that will work with my VGA Wonder XL ? I get a max of 32,768 colors at 640 x 480.. Not one of the best but seems ok for me…
#52764From: david W. mennenohAug 9, 1993 10:06 PM
Robert, Hmmm.. that may be your problem. Contact Jack Bayt (he's fairly regular on here) from Vibrant Graphics and you should be able to get an upgrade to the latest and greatest. Though, this may not solve your problem. Maybe Jack could be of further assistance on whether or not that version of the driver cause memory problems. I know mine used to. Dave Mennenoh
#52606From: Don LandisAug 8, 1993 8:58 PM
I had a similar problem like this when rendering tests and eventually running out of ram and swapdir. It just keeps building when in your ram capacity? right? I solved it by not using an RCPADI type driver for RDPADI set statement. It was vibrants Softengine drivers for a Tiga board, in my case but I've heard this happening to others with different drivers. In all cases they corrected the problem by not setting RDPADI to an RCtype driver. This has nothing to do with the pharlap problem of building the swap size, that is the nature of the beast. Hope this will help
#52635From: Robert J.P SmithAug 9, 1993 7:26 AM
Thanks for the idea Don, but since some of this is still new to me can you explain a little more what you mean when you say: " I solved it by not using an RCPADI type driver for RDPADI set " "they corrected the problem by not setting RDPADI to an RCtype driver." In my setup the RCPADI goes to the ATI DLXpress driver while the RDPADI goes for the RCPTARGP.EXP (DATED 4-1-92) (NOTE however that since the mentions on this string I checked and found that it was an older driver: the RDPTARGP.exp driver that was on the RDPADI line… Anyway, dont the two drivers I use seem to be the ones that should be there? regards, Bob Smith
#52657From: Yost GroupAug 9, 1993 10:23 AM
It sounds like DonL has an idea of what might be causing the problem… the ADI driver. Please explore that with him before you send me the file. Thanks, – G
#52735From: Robert J.P SmithAug 9, 1993 6:04 PM
Gary, I'll be trying today & tomorrow to recreate the problem now that I updated the Targa driver…I will also call up tonite ATI in Toronto and download the latest DLXpress driver ( i"m told by Vibrant that it's version 2.15) and see if that helps// But since I cant remember if the Phar Lap error happened when I was rendering to a TV screen thru the TARGA or to the screen on my VGA monitor I have some homework to do…This problem has been really intermittent but: 1: Still cannot understand the memory usage that goes up so fast compared to when I would render to Disk 30 frames or even more… Rendering 30 frames to disk never caused it to swap or page to disk, it climbs but does eventually stabilize.. But doing these test renders chews the RAM within up to 10 tests.. I'll let you know.. Bob Smith
#52769From: david W. mennenohAug 9, 1993 10:06 PM
Robert, Actually the newest DL-Xpress is 2.16. Hope you can fix the prob. Dave Mennenoh
#52994From: Don LandisAug 10, 1993 11:36 PM
>> RCPADI goes to the ATI DLXpress driver while the RDPADI goes for the RCPTARGP.EXP (DATED 4-1-92) This is what I thought you had incorrectly set up and has been what has caused many weird problems including the one you mentioned. However, you now stated the correct targa RDPTARGP.exp for the RDPADI line. This has been what usually corrects the problem. If you still have it then maybe you need to suspect the ATI driver. I can't help you there because I have no experience with that particular driver. I do know that ATI drivers have been the subject of much discussion regarding bugs on this forum.
#53031From: Robert J.P SmithAug 11, 1993 9:17 AM
Hi Don, havent been able to get new drivers and as hey say here's the story so everyone can learn a lesson: 1rst my Nec 4FG monitor had a slight defect (a horizontal line scrolled & there was an intermittent high pitched hum.) so being 9 months old & under warranty I brought it to BULL systems who do warranty work for NEC in Canada…they said Oh a day or two but when I went to pick it up they said here's a new one.>>(Wrong…They had me back a "refurbished" model that was older and also had a defect, so back it goes and I have to get another one..That one now shows signs of a problem but I cannot adjust it properly since no one at ATI has answered my questions about where is the latest DLXpress version 2.16 driver & if my configuration drivers for the ATI card are actually correct for my NEC monitor… I called the ATI BBS the other nite and after downloading a file dated Jan 93 found out it was the same driver package I already had (but dated Oct 92) So so smart fellow at ATI changed the date on the file and people who want the upgrade download the wrong package !! The drivers are not on the CIS library of ATI and two messages later still no answer… GREAT SERVICE FOR A CANADIAN COMPANY GUYS !!!! So buyer beware… On a positive note: When I contacted Vibrant Graphics yesterday and mentioned the PHarLap error message I was given the following statement to include in my batch file that starts 3D Studio. SET DOSX=-SAVERGS Am told this helps to remove the Phar Lap error message.. I'll try it out and see if it eliminates it.. I'll also let you know how this story with ATI develops/ Regards, Bob Smith