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#Architects and 3DS

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#53053From: Christophe Van OyenAug 11, 1993 12:06 PM
Yes I'm also an architect using 3Dstudio, I do everything from the start including the administration, designing to drawing the plans on AutoCAD, and if possible presenting the project with 3Dstudio (mostly only possible for larger projects). Where are you located? I'm trying to get work with 3Dstudio other then architecture, but I'm just starting to search (in away 3DS is also my hobby). I'm just trying to find out what I need in my PC to convert from PC to video, what quality I can get for which price. No one in this forum can get or create a list about these products. I really have no one to go at in my region, I have to find out myself. Most Video bureau's in my region are ignorant on this subject. I think in the US people are about one year ahead on this subject, I've learned a lot being on Cserve, even a lot of my problems were resolved, when I get more experienced with 3DS I hope to return as much info as I can to others. I just hope to meet all the guys who are doing a great job with this software once. Sorry a bit away from the subject, what is your experience so far with 3DS as an architect. Overhere architects are quite sceptical to use computers, but I think you can design great things with CAD, in a fact 3DS is art but few people really recognise this already. Christophe Van Oyen, Belgium Everyone who reads this I ask one minute silence for the death of King Boudewijn of Belgium !!
#53099From: david galbraithAug 11, 1993 5:17 PM
Thanks for such a prompt reply At the moment I'm in London, though I'm not sure why. I used to work for Fosters here and more recently for a smaller firm called Valode et Pistre in Paris. Fosters like a lot of the larger firms here use Microstation so I've used this a fair bit but mainly for 2D work. At V&P they use Autocad but on Sun Spark Stations- so no 3Dstudio. In fact when I started there, they were using R11 without AME and so I used the secretaries Mac LC and Modelshop to try and squeeze out some simple 3d images. Sorry If I'm boring you- What I'm leading up to is the fact that the bigger practices tend to have lots of hardware, which is often a mandatory requirement for larger jobs such as airports, without enough rendering/animation software or more importantly people with enough time to invest in really getting to grips with it. In the U.K. there is only one outfit I know of who are producing renderings of the required artistic merit and people like Richard Rogers are hiving out all of their stuff to them. They use Macs with Electric Image as a renderer/animator and Form Z or Modelshop as a modeller. When I spoke to someone there recently he said they wished they had been using 3ds (It's half the price) but were looking forward to Electric Image being ported to Silicon Graphics machines. The only thing thats keeping me from going to Germany at the moment has been the idea of trying to start something up privately doing 3d graphics. Its only been recently that I've had the cash to think about setting up a system myself and it seems that something based around 3ds is going to be the best value. There are plenty of sceptics in this country too, and its not just a generation thing. I only finished my postgraduate a year ago and both my colleages and tutors were very snobish about the artistic possibilities of computer graphics. Its a real shame because architecture is the perfect vehicle, not just for graphics but all sorts of buzzwords multimedia, penbased systems, video conferencing etc. Before I sign off Idon't no much about the subject but it seems that there are some interesting new video products appearing. Apple are pushing "Audio-Visual" with two new machines one which has built in PAL/NTSC output for around 2000 dollars if this is anything to go by perhaps there will be some PC equivalents which will be as cheap. The new Matrox graphics cards will have a video output option which will be available in the UK in the autumn. Keep in touch D.G.
#53426From: Christophe Van OyenAug 14, 1993 9:09 AM
Thanks for your interesting reply. What is your idea about Microstation since you worked both on AutoCAD an Microstation, which is the better you think. I've seen many CAD programs but I only worked on 2 so far: AutoCAD and Arkey. Most architects overhere use AutoCAD, some use Architrion, and some use ArchiCAD (the last 2 can only be used by architects, unlike AutoCAD). Some larger bureau's use STAR Archi (costs a fortune), terrific software (complete 3D with rendering)but difficult to master and runs only workstations, although a recent version is available since 2 months, but it requires at least a DX2 50Mhz processor to work at a reasonable speed. Some Users (mainly larger Architectural Firms) in our Usergroup changed over to AutoCAD because it is much easier to find people knowing how to use ACAD without having to make them follow 2 weeks of lessons each year to keep on top of STAR Archi. ACAD is much more productive. I've seen some software work on workstations, and to me speed dissapoints if you compare to my DX2 66, if you consider the price difference.(eventually I think the difference between the 2 will gradually dissapear) You use AME a lot, I do not I model without AME using the plans as Xref or blocks to create the 3Dfaces on top, it is just a question of routine and technique I think. For simple 3D models AME is certainly faster but for complexe 3D building models I think I can beat a lot of AME users. Fosters do you mean Foster and Associates the Architects ??? Why is 3DS so much cheaper then the other software the firm you mentioned uses, because of the cheaper hardware, or the speed with which they can get results with 3DS? I also want to start up working with 3DS for others, I do not know if I'll succeed. That's all for know, Christophe