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#HP Lasers Pagestream

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#110159From: Forrest McKinneyAug 12, 1993 12:17 AM
Just Curious about peoples recomendations for a HP laser printers for pagestream Use. I am looking at the 4L ($700, no postscript 1 meg of RAM, 300 DPI), the 4ML ($1100, Postscript, 2 meg RAM, 300DPI), the 4 ($1500, 4 megs of RAM no postscript 600 DPI) 4M ($2000, 6 megs of RAM Postsctip 600 DPI). My question is is postscript going to help that much with Pagestream? Forrest
#110187From: BILL LEACHAug 12, 1993 9:00 AM
Forrest; You could not pry my HP-4M out of my place with a crowbar! It produces beautiful output and PgS seems quite content with the machine. It is difficult for me to express just how much I recommend that printer. It also appear to be typical HP, amazing quality and performance for the money. -bill
#110193From: Soft-Logik Tech SupportAug 12, 1993 9:05 AM
If you can afford and justify PostScript, we strongly, strongly recommend it. If you can't afford or justify it, purchase a printer which you can upgrade to PostScript later. Michael @ Soft-Logik Publishing Corp.
#110199From: Michael MastAug 12, 1993 9:51 AM
Postscipt will not be much of a difference but if you do want postscipt output without the price, buy the 4L and download Post17 a postscipt interpreter or a few other programs in the libs. /\/\ I C |-| /-\ E |_ /\/\ /-\ S T Always on autopilot
#110306From: SL-TechAug 13, 1993 9:12 AM
The HP Laserjet 4L is only a 300 dpi printer. The LaserJet 4 and 4M are 600 dpi printers. Remember that POST is a PostScript CLONE, and clones are almost never %100 compatible. And HP LaserJet 4M with PostScript is a GREAT printer. It will also be a lot faster than the 4L and POST option. Mark @ Soft-Logik Publishing
#111010From: Mark SterlingAug 20, 1993 9:51 PM
I use the HP4M with an A4000. It is fabulous! 600dpi makes a B I G difference. It is also fast. Not really that cheap but very capable. Works great with Pagestream and just about any other Amiga program (except ADpro, but that's another story and not HP's fault). By comparison 300dpi really looks like doodoo. I'm glad I got the crowbar out and attacked my wallet to buy this one. Plenty of ram for big bitmaps, fast parallel port, serial port and Appletalk port if you've got a use for it. I do NOT think 2meg is enough ram for a Postscript printer ie. 4ML.
#111134From: Forrest McKinneyAug 21, 1993 8:03 PM
I think the 4M is what Im gonna be after
#111168From: BILL LEACHAug 22, 1993 9:13 AM
You probably will not reget the decision (getting the 4M). I began singing HP's praises all over again when I got the 4M. This is the best printer that I have ever used (of the dozens of printers that I have owned or used).
#111295From: Mark SterlingAug 23, 1993 7:45 PM
You will be happy with the 4M. Upgrading the non-postscript model would cost more than the difference in price. The 300dpi models are now a dime-a-dozen and simply a price war (not that a 300dpi postscript printer isn't very nice to have). you will love showing off the things you have done with the 4M. Goin' AP …..Mark Sterling
#111657From: Lu BeranekAug 27, 1993 10:13 PM
Mark, I have been looking around for a printer to print my thesis but have been put off by suggestions that every printer (even of the same brand and model) will print differently. One of the ones I was thinking of borrowing/hiring/whatever was the HP4M. Could you tell me what printer driver you use for PageStream and how long would it take for, say, a 5 meg page of graphics ps file to print? regards, Lu on AutoPilot downunder
#111678From: BILL LEACHAug 28, 1993 7:17 AM
Lu; I use an HP-4M with PgS on an Amiga 3000. I am not all that sure how large the PostScript file would be but I imagine that it would be large since most of my source files are 100K+. I just checked one of the smaller files (120K) by printing it to disk and it comes out as about 1.2Meg. I recall this file taking something less than 10 minutes to print. In fact if memory is correct (don't trust it, I don't <g>) this file prints in about 5 minutes. I do have some that take around 30 minutes to print out but they really are pretty large files. As far as the 4M and PgS is concerned, I would be very hard pressed to find anything that I do not like about the combination other than the awkardness when dealing with undersized paper. It is sometimes difficult to set up initially for paper that is not 8.5×11 but it is consistant once you get it right. I print a fair number of 8×10 certificates (directly on engraved certificate stock) and have NO problems. The HP-4M has done more to improve my productivity with PgS than anything besides the accelerated machine. The combination is a real joy. Mistakes are mine and not due to program or printer problems. -bill
#111896From: Paul ToalAug 30, 1993 6:02 AM
Bill, Where do you draw the line between printing with PageStream or simply using a word processor? –Paul < Motorola Inside >
#111904From: BILL LEACHAug 30, 1993 8:48 AM
Paul; Anymore I don't. I just keep a few PgS templates handy and have PageLiner running all the time. Since WordPerfect is no longer supported (or at least is not developing) for the Amiga, I don't really use a word processor much. Most of my "wordprocessing" is just one and two page stuff. Generally anything larger would involve pagelayout anyway. PageStream itself is pretty decent for documents of only a page or two and with HotLinks and PageLiner the bigger stuff is easy to handle. We don't have a dealer in this area that I want to do business with (and the one that is here is a PC/Amiga dealer that carrys very little software or hardware anyway). If our dealer in Cary, NC was still around I probably would have tried out the wordprocessors available for the Amiga and bought one by now. I am really rather sick and tired of buying software that I end up hating and then don't use. -bill
#112224From: Paul ToalSep 1, 1993 5:12 AM
I never considered this route. Isn't the output from a text editor using the DeskJet's internal fonts a bit sharper than PageStreams? –Paul < Motorola Inside >
#112231From: BILL LEACHSep 1, 1993 6:35 AM
Paul; Probably but I really don't know. I seldom use the DeskJet. I just use if for an occassional color transparency or color page and in both cases it is all PgS. -bill
#111979From: Mark SterlingAug 30, 1993 8:21 PM
Lu, Sorry this reply is so late. I use the Postscript driver in Pagestream to print on my HP4M. I have gotten very consistent results with the 4M and have heard only good things about its output from others. I don't think I have printed any 5meg pages of graphics with Pagestream and this printer. I have printed some large files such as a 350 page document which pretty much printed as fast as the printer is rated (8ppm) with the 4M and an A4000/040. Fairly complicated pages print amazingly (at least to me) fast with this setup. Only downside; puts a fair curl in the paper as it passes through the printer. Cheap paper seems to curl more. Yah, its a good bet. Goin' AP …..Mark Sterling
#112070From: BILL LEACHAug 31, 1993 9:47 AM
Mark; I use Hammermill Laser Plus and Weyerhaeuser First Choice papers and have noticed very little curl. Some copier paper really curl badly (particularly if the ream has been open for awhile). -bill
#112191From: Brian BartlettSep 1, 1993 1:37 AM
Bill, concurred. I pretty much limit myself to Hammermill. I also buy it, in bulk, from the local Staples (a discount office supply firm). Brian
#112229From: BILL LEACHSep 1, 1993 6:34 AM
I buy a case at a time (if that is what you mean by bulk). That of course is only 'piddling' as far as paper companies are concerned. I am still almost astonished at how much difference a good paper makes in the appearence of the final product. I can't see any difference between Laser Plus and First Choice on the printer output but, the Laser Plus makes a much better master for copiers. -bill
#112314From: Mark SterlingSep 1, 1993 7:54 PM
Thanks Bill. I'll look for those papers. I do use copier/laser paper for a lot of non-critical things and it does curl. I have some sort of Classic Laid paper that has my letterhead on it. It curls somewhat less. The paper path is convoluted in the HP4 and the diameter of the rollers is small. No doubt this contributes to the curling syndrome. Goin' AP …..Mark Sterling