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#CEI rumor

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#158075From: Michael D BrennanJul 31, 1994 4:11 PM
To All… I spoke with a rep at CEI the other day, and was told that the C= situation is unresolved, and that there is no reliable info available. No deal has yet been struck with CEI to manufacture the current Amiga line, due to the fact that no one owns or controlls the technology . They went on to tell me not to get in over my head by bidding on contracts using Amiga computors, since there is a chance that my orders could go unfilled. ( I think that 3rd party goods are no problem) Let me add that I think it takes courage to be so honest when this salesperson's livelyhood depends on selling Amiga gear. We all know that a less scrupuless destributor or salesperson would promise you the world, only to leave you hanging out to dry if the order could noy be filled. I applaud CEI for their honesty in the face of difficult and uncertain times. Mike Brennan, Sir Render Audio/ Video. "PC clones and insomnia..perfect together" /exit
#158113From: Bruce Robertson [PreVue]Jul 31, 1994 10:47 PM
CEI does run a class operation. We have been working with them for quite awhile now and their honesty is top notch. Should they be successful in acquiring manufacturing rights to the Amiga, we will all be in good hands. ___ /__) ,_ _ _ _/__) / /__/ /_ /_-' PreVue Technologies
#158135From: daniel wolfAug 1, 1994 3:03 AM
I second that! Someone else 'rumored' that CEI was retooling some PAL Amiga 1200's and CEI FIRMLY denied it – a breath of fresh air honesty! I hope CEI does get a decent shot at Amiga rights as they would probably do a good job and handle it in a forthright manner. I have found my dealings with them to have gone quite smoothly.
#158157From: MARTIN SKOWRONSKIAug 1, 1994 11:19 AM
Pardon my ignorance, but I've been following this thread on "CEI" and have no idea who they are. Are they a retailer? Manufacturer? Could you provide their phone number. Thanks. Marty
#158159From: Dale LarsonAug 1, 1994 11:36 AM
Creative Equipment International (not to be confused with Creative Computers) is a distributor. They buy huge numbers of product and then distribute it (hence the name) to dealers. They don't sell direct to end-users, but are a critical part of how Amiga product gets to dealers in the US. There are other distributors, but they tend to deal more in software or not to carry the actual computers. Dale L. Larson Intangible Assets Manufacturing (info@iam.com) "That's the best part about being crazy. You see things no one else can see."
#158187From: Clarence SaundersAug 1, 1994 5:53 PM
CEI does sell to end users. I've been to their shop several times, and I've purchase everything from SCSI-II card to memory to software, but I believe they'll do it only for their walk-ins. Catya,
#158208From: Dale LarsonAug 1, 1994 10:13 PM
I stand corrected. Dale L. Larson Intangible Assets Manufacturing (info@iam.com) "That's the best part about being crazy. You see things no one else can see."
#158314From: Jim SakladAug 2, 1994 6:01 PM
> CEI does sell to end users. I've been to their shop several times,… Where? . . . . JimDoc, on AutoPilot
#158347From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPAug 2, 1994 9:17 PM
It's in Miami. It's a pretty impressive place. They had about 25 PARs on the shelf when I was there the last time.
#158201From: ROBERT K. MCCONEGHYAug 1, 1994 9:16 PM
So basically what you're saying is CEI knows about buying and selling but has no experience or expertise in manufacturing or developing anything ??? They don't sound very exciting to me….
#158209From: Dale LarsonAug 1, 1994 10:13 PM
That's not what I said. And even if I were, it's not so bad. There are plenty of good manufacturing outfits to farm that work out to, and there are good engineers and engineering managers who can be hired to create a quality development system. Expertise isn't required — it can be hired. As long as the attitude is right about doing a quality job and paying people who know what they are doing (and staying out of their way). Dale L. Larson Intangible Assets Manufacturing (info@iam.com) "That's the best part about being crazy. You see things no one else can see."
#158569From: Eberhard SpittlerAug 5, 1994 2:44 AM
Dale, your remark about having/hiring is quite interesting! Does a system like the Amiga really need to be company owned? See how Linux emerges. Even "The Standard" is in fact a joint effort by many companies and competitors; that's what makes it commercially so successful (and technically so chaotic). That was just a couple of thoughts and is not meant as a serious concept. Eberhard Spittler (using AutoPilot V1.73)
#158662From: Michael HendryAug 5, 1994 9:22 PM
>Does a system like the Amiga really need to be company owned? >See how Linux emerges. Even "The Standard" is in fact a joint effort by >many companies and competitors; that's what makes it commercially so >successful (and technically so chaotic). Linux is sofware – I would think the costs involved in the hardware side of Amiga development would make many parties unwilling to take the risk (especially given Commodore's / Amiga's current situation (although ideologically, I would consider "Amiga" completely seperate from "Commodore")). Hey, if an Amiga consortium is started though, why not get Microsoft to take over development of AmigaDOS – then the Amiga'll be saved!!! Not. My 0.08 _pence_ worth (why is it _8_ cents anyway – what in particular does 8 cents buy?), Mat SFA. Disclaimer: I work for Microsoft – therefore I can say whatever I want and everyone will believe me. Legal disclaimer: Allegedly.
#158739From: NathanAug 6, 1994 1:17 PM
AHH..no microsoft! They'd call it "chicago" and we'd all have to board the MicroSoft flagship "monopoly"! (would be better than bankruptcy, though they'd turn the amiga chips into graphics accelerators for winslows and give AmigaDOS cooperative multitasking <uggh>) U work for microsloth? ANd yet u use an amiga (will wonders never cease) Intel Overdrive…off a cliff! Nathan Jones, via amiga autopilot. –FLAME ON!–
#158760From: Michael HendryAug 6, 1994 6:36 PM
>U work for microsloth? No no no!!! I resent such a vicous slur on my integrity. (Actually, I don't work for anyone – I'm a student!) Pleasant dreams, Mat.
#158824From: Peter WadeAug 7, 1994 6:03 AM
> Hey, if an Amiga consortium is started though, why not get Microsoft to > take over development of AmigaDOS – then the Amiga'll be saved!!! Well, in terms of sales it would be saved, but would you want to buy the result? It would be interesting to see how they went about blocking off all except the first 640k of memory in an Amiga. > Not. I'll go along with that. Peter Wade Autopiloting from London, England
#158830From: Eberhard SpittlerAug 7, 1994 7:21 AM
TNX for your opinion, Michael, but software (good professional software for many business areas) is very capital intensive also, and one company cannot do everything (not even MS). But I seem to contradict myself now! Eberhard Spittler (using AutoPilot V1.73)
#158570From: ROBERT K. MCCONEGHYAug 5, 1994 2:44 AM
I don't entirely agree with you that a company with no experience in manufacturing/ engineering/or product development can just "hire expertise" to take over an operation like computer manufacturing and software development. They will have no experience in hiring such experts, no idea how such operations are structured, what people will be needed, where to get them, etc. etc. Sure they could use head-hunters but they won't know the specs of the people to ask for. Many operations fail despite the best intentions because the people at the top don't really know anything about the business they are getting involved with.
#158576From: Dale LarsonAug 5, 1994 5:40 AM
You hire one person with a proven track record in manufacturing to start your manufacturing division, and you give him the resources to do things right. You hire another person with a proven track record in engineering and do the same. Obviously, not all people with proven track records are created equal, but most of them can probably create an OK department. With a little luck, given the right encouragement about quality and forward-thinking and resource availability, they can, starting with a clean slate, make an excellent department. Most manufacturing and engineering environments are burdened with the fact that they start small and grow, and/or that they've been around for a long time. Many of the ways they do things are either obsoleted by time or by the fact that they've gotten bigger. Dale L. Larson Intangible Assets Manufacturing (info@iam.com) "That's the best part about being crazy. You see things no one else can see."
#158688From: Eulogio (DJ) GarciaAug 6, 1994 1:29 AM
Robert, The problem is not "not knowing" a particular aspect of a business, but not being aware of this lack, and not knowing about it. CEI appears to have knowledge that Commodore could have used, did not have, and refused to reckognize, and so ran Ami into the ground, in spite of the great engineering on tap. Business management did not fulfill their end of the job. Good business sense will hire good engineering and manufacturing. It's out there, and a fair amount can be ex-C= people. It's not a startup, after all, and the new management will be very careful to avoid previous errors. DJ
#158219From: Andrew PorterAug 1, 1994 10:59 PM
There was an interesting article in the may issue of A/C Amiga about CEI. Andrew ICAM ActiveMedia Development
#158364From: daniel wolfAug 2, 1994 11:38 PM
They are a big Amiga distributor – NOT retail.
#158438From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPAug 3, 1994 5:47 PM
They have a retail store in Miami.
#158475From: daniel wolfAug 4, 1994 1:58 AM
I stand corrected. Somehow I think I knew about the retail store, but I don't think of CEI as retail since they don't mail-order and (AMAZING!) they don't compete against their own dealers who purchase Amiga equipment from them. The other large Amiga distributors also have mail-order outlets and sort of stab their own dealer-customers in the back by low-balling retail mail-order prices. CEI is the ONE distributor which gives their dealer-customers a fair break as dealers. I have had good luck with them.