micron p60
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ara,
the AXP is the Alpha processor, seems to be the fastest processor around these
days but does not run DOS applications but with Windows NT, this problem should
gradually go away.
Christophe
christophe: thanks for the info. i also called digital for info on
AXP, they told me that it is not shipping yet, it will be sometimes
in spring and that it will only work on DEC xl computers.
unfortunatly their computers are very expensive and way above my
budget. so for the time being i have to stick to my micron p60
choice. take care ara
>> i also called digital for info on AXP, they told me that it is not
shipping yet <<
That's interesting, since I have an AXP 150 in my training room!!!
<BG> Or were you talking about the processor upgrade? Because the
"real" AXP 150 is definitely available!
chuck: that is very interesting. i believe that they were probably
talking about the upgrade then. how do you like your AXP. is it the
150mhz? now if you had to make a choice between two micron
p60,64meg, 1gig scsi,scsi 2, viper pci, networked for r3 vs one DEC
AXP 150 for r3 when NT version is out, which would it be and why.
please drop me a note thanks ara
Ara,
There is one thing you are banking on here that I feel is questionable
reasoning…
>> one DEC AXP 150 for r3 when NT version is out <<
There are no "published" plans for a release on 3DS3 on NT, and AutoDesk will
NEVER talk about future releases, so for right now your ONLY choice is the
pentiums!
Chuck
chuck:
you are absolutely correct. listening to you and all others i have decided to
go the pentum p66 route.
later on i might add a DEC XL 66 to my system when thier prices come down a
little.
this way when and IF the NT stuff comes out i can upgrade both computers to NT
base and upgrade the DEC XL to AXP.
what do you think about that.
thanks
ara
Ara,
That sounds like a pretty positive plan!
Chuck
right on :})
ara
I don't think ARA is banking on NT, I'm the one who's considering the gamble.
I think the DEC XL's are good enough machines that I'll win either way. Since
I use 3DS more than any other software I have to consider future NT options a
gamble, but I'm thinking of taking the chance.
John Tissavary (La Luna cie)
The beauty of the XL series is the "swappable" processors. As one can
start with a Pentium system now, and fly with the Alpha later when
the Apps are there!
I agree. It's a powerful argument for the DEC XL's, and the main reason I'm
considering them so seriously.
John Tissavary (La Luna cie)
Chuck,
>> As one can start with a Pentium system now, and fly with the Alpha later
when the Apps are there! <<
I've been following this thread for some time now and just have to put my 2
cents worth in <BG>.
I've been in the Computer Hardware/Software business from day one, and it's
been my personal experience that _ALL_ of these so called upgradable computers
are _Never_ a good deal.
Now If that's not strong enough let me put is this way……
Literally every so called upgradable computer manufacturer (I'll Use ALR as an
Example Here) has not been able to provide the upgrade for a "reasonable cost"
as opposed to the realworld cost of purchasing the system seperatly If and When
it's time finally comes.
My ALR Examples would be their 286 to SX to 16bit 486 machine.
That was a major Joke! The SX upgrade cost $1900 at the time exactly what you
could by an entire system mail order for!!!
The upgrade board cost as much as an entirely new computer without the
limitations when they became readily available through regular market channels.
Plus the older motherboards were not taking 100% advantage of the new
technology due to changes within intel's CPU Etc! Etc!
I see no reason why this wouldn't happen with the DEC/RISC machines also.
If you want and need an ALPHA/NT setup in it's current configuration then go
for it but do not kid yourself in to beleiving that the technology is not going
to change to the point where a simple upgrade is going to give you as much
"Machine" as opposed to buying the "current" state of the art.
The Hardware in this business seems to change every 6 months to a year while
the software takes about 18 months to catch up.
FWIW I'd be more interested in beta testing the latest software as opposed to
spending time and money on "upgradable" hardware. <g>
"Swappable" Processors alone IMHO is no real reason to purchase hardware.
You can do that now with any intel system but most folks don't because the
motherboards/BIOS's and in some cases Busses are not capable of giving you the
full advantage of what that chip your plugging in to the old motherboard is
capable of.
Like I said this is my opinion. <g>
Murph'
James,
You argue a VERY strong case, and a case that I have supported for everything
BUT the DEC machines. I have always "scoffed" at the Pentium P24T overdrive
sockets, as you will have to throttle a 60 or 66Mhz 64-Bit chip down to operate
on a 33Mhz, 32-Bit motherboard. Anyone would agree that this is not the best
situation for ultimate performance.
BUT, DEC has developed a processor complex scheme that when swapped offers NO
performance penalties over the "native" Alpha system, since the "native" system
is an XL with the Alpha processor card installed. That is, AT THIS TIME. As
for the future of hardware, that is the strongest case AGAINST any upgradeable
processor scheme, and only time will bear out the real answer.
One thing to remember about the DEC's, they are about the best performing
Pentiums around. So even if you would buy one and NEVER take advantage of the
upgradeable processor, you would have to settle for a solidly-built,
well-designed, and top notch performing Pentium! <BG>
Hey, opinions are what builds this forum,
Chuck