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Lantastic 5 Lock-up

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#118303From: David J. MarksAug 15, 1994 8:47 AM
After raving about how easy and reliable Lantastic has been for me, I recently began having some problems: -> One of my machines locks up giving me that Lantastic "be-deep" sound indicating it can't read or write. It freezes up, leaving the current frame on the screen. It does not allow the other system to write information to it across the net either. My present rendering patch consists of two 486-66's attached to the end of a 5 system coaxial ethernet. The other 3 systems typically do not get called in to render as they lack sufficient RAM for most projects: their function is more for administrative support. System "A" contains the 3DS network directory, redirected on both systems to be drive "T:". Both systems dump rendered frames to drive "I:", which is physically a directory on System "B". The project is configured so that all maps are read from local drives. The only network activity should be obtaining the next frame to render from "T:" and dumping the rendered frame to "I:". Any recommendations or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Dave Marks (203)495-8612 (work)
#118386From: Don LandisAug 15, 1994 5:21 PM
David you described your system but what have you done different lately that triggered this lockup? You give the impression that this problem just started to show up. I get the "bd-deep_ warning everytime I shut down a machine that has a redirector on the server even if it is not in use.
#118451From: David J. MarksAug 15, 1994 10:01 PM
>> David you described your system but what have you done different lately >> that triggered this lockup? I had an important project to render! <g> Seriously, though, I don't think I ever had the network perfectly bug-free. I strongly suspect it's related to a higher volume of network traffic. I do tend to let problems go, and in the past I had occassional lock-ups, but never consistant enough to warrant the time it would take to run it down. Most of the time it would run fine, and I assumed the lock-ups were just a freak thing. It seems to be a little more common lately. My last two attempts to net render only made it about 100 frames before locking. I've got a project coming due, so I can't take chances now. The funny thing is, I have had one machine in slave mode all day with no problems. It's only after the second machine goes into slave mode that the problems start. (Although wouldn't you know it… 300 frames ran fine this afternoon!) I will be perusing the Lantastic docs, and some notes that I saved from the forum. In the mean time, I've got a good project to render over the next several days, and I'll see what happens! Thanks, Don. – Dave
#118478From: RICHARD BUDAYAug 16, 1994 12:50 AM
David – We are running 8 486's (plus 3 support computers) under Lantastic and have had an epidemic of "be-deep's" for the past few months. As best as I can figure, I can trace the problem to three 486-66 clones we aquired at the beginning of the year. The problem seemed to happen when the 66's were accessing their local drives either starting 3DS, quiting 3DS, or saving an image. If during this "vulnerable" state, someone accessed the drive from across the network – BE-DEEP!!! The problem seems to stem from either hardware problems (read cheap computers) or increased network traffic (more likely). It seems that the three 66's pushed us over the magic 5-6 machine limit. Without moving to a more $$ network, I have made the following changes which seem to work for now. First I moved the network control computer to a non-rendering machine, then made everyone strip out all non-local map paths and copied all maps locally. Secondly I created boot options for server and workstation modes. Thus when net rendering I make everyone re-boot into workstation mode before putting a machine into slave. This seems to isolate a machine from all of the network chatter. This last step has reduced slave-mode blow-ups quite a bit. One related note. We still had the problem of blow-ups during the day when everyone was working in server mode (the office's style requires that we use a peer to peer network). To combat this, I moved all project related files to a central location. I have had a few grumblings about slowing down file transfers, but none about blow-ups (my fingers are still crossed). Hope this helps out. – Peter Noldt, Archimage
#118497From: David J. MarksAug 16, 1994 7:56 AM
>> epidemic of "be-deep's" Very excellent suggestions. Thank you very much. I'll implement many of your recommendations this afternoon. We suffer from both inexpensive hardware and increased traffic from running 90% peer-to-peer. I'll return as many workstations as possible to "workstation" mode. It just occurs to me that our office manager just brought another "server" on-line! Ah ha!
#118517From: RICHARD BUDAYAug 16, 1994 9:02 AM
David – "Be-Deep" is the most dreaded sound in the office. We have an open plan with six people. When you hear "Be-Deep…..Be-Deep…." you look around to see whose face is the redest. The punishment……buy everyone lunch. Seriously, good luck sorting things out, and please let me know how it turns out. Our network setup is a work in progress, and by no means the answer. I am always looking for a "better" solution. – Peter, Archimage
#118579From: David J. MarksAug 16, 1994 11:29 AM
>> "Be-Deep" Lantastic has overall been a great convenience. I love the peer-to-peer benefits. I've had Novell experts in awe with the flexibility. However, the dreaded "be-deep" can often mean the loss of a night's rendering time. The built-in flexibility means that things here are constantly changing to meet our needs. For instance, 2 weeks ago, the administrative assistant (notice the PC language?!? <G>) got a 500 MB hard drive. Now everyone on the net wants to grab up that storage space! After thinking through the common sense advice you gave, I realized another "little" change that I recently made. At first glance, it almost makes sense, but on further reflection, I realize the mistake in my logic. To "share the work", I put the 3ds network files on system "A" and stored the images on system "B". This means that both systems need to access the net. If the net files and images are on the SAME system, only ONE needs to access the net. Whammo! No more collisions! I'll be trying some changes today, and we'll see how things work out. Thanks again. (and thanks also to DonL, who got me thinking about recent changes). – Dave
#118607From: RICHARD BUDAYAug 16, 1994 3:08 PM
Dave – To describe our system in your terms, if systems "A" and "B" are the rendering stations, both would be in workstation mode logged only into "C" (System "C" is a 386 that holds the 3DS network control files). All maps are copied onto "A" & "B" and all rendered images are saved locally (i.e. "A" renders to "A", etc…). Thus the only network traffic is A -> C & B -> C. Also A & B are effectively "locked out" unless rebooted to server mode. When it comes time to lay to tape, all machines become servers, and thus accessible to our Targa+/Diaquest setup. Sorry if this is redundant, but re-reading the thread made me realize how your system is set-up. – Peter, Archimage
#118624From: Don LandisAug 16, 1994 4:26 PM
Thanks for the thanks. <G> What I do here is to have a subdirectory on each slave: C:\Maps I send all current maps to each slaves HD before starting to render. It is also listed in the map path on each slaves 3DS.set. I also list (as a backup) my server's maps directory on each slave. Of course the IPASes are on each slave too.
#118922From: Richard J. SmithAug 17, 1994 10:16 PM
I had a problem with lantastic 5 and 3ds the other day. I have a 486 and a P60 and I just started a net render when the 486 failed. I remembered I had forgottten to copy the maps to the 486 so I shelled out of 3ds and copyed the maps off the CD to the 486 and Blamo the 486 locked up tight I had to power down to reboot. Has this ever happened to you ? I havent tryed it again.
#118972From: Don LandisAug 18, 1994 3:36 AM
>>…and Blamo the 486 locked up tight I had to power down to reboot. Has this ever happened to you ? I havent tryed it again. Why not? What are you afraid of? Yes, once I lost the little key to my 486 keyboard and everything was locked up tight. I looked all over for it and when I stood up I noticed something very painful under my foot. The key must have fallen off the table and landed in my boot. I too had to reboot to get the key out to unlock my 486 but it didn't require a major shutdown as in your case. Of course I don't wear a size P90 either. 🙂 🙂 🙂 Hey, what kind of response do you expect at 3:30 AM? Seriously, it sounds like a fluke of unrelated events and … well… welcome to the world of PCs. Or, as GY would say you were just having a bad day.
#119133From: Richard J. SmithAug 18, 1994 9:30 PM
That might have been a fluke but I have had a strange case of 3ds.exe getting wacked out. the problem is only noticed in the Lofter when I zoom extent I get a glitch across the screen then the pointer arrow goes and the keyboard only beeps again I have to power down. This is becoming a problem the other day I lost about an hours work because of it. I thought it might have something to do with lantastic and WGFW or Qemm. so I have started to clean out the config and Aexe.bat . have you ever had or heard of this occurrence? >Hey, what kind of response do you expect at 3:30 AM?< are not all good little animators up a 3:30am?