CompuServe Thread

RCA camera

16 messages in this thread
#9997From: Jay GrossSep 6, 1988 12:58 AM
C mount lenses were q uite common for the 16mm amateur and professional cameras for a long time, and Cmount is still in some use these days on video cameras by a number of manufacturers. It's a screw-thread thingy, not a bayonet. I've been looking for a source of C mount lenses for my own Panasonic WV1410, but I havent had time to get down to serious scrounging yet. You can also buy Cmount to <something else> adapters which will permit using such things as SLR lenses on your WV1410. most of these introduce lens extension, which limits the infinity-focus of the camera, but infinity focus is not a consideration on a copy stand. The king of adapter sources is Spiratone, but I've been busy and haven't had time to chase the artricles down exactrly. Many lenses for those ol' 16mm projectors are Cmount, too, and they're mostlyoptimized for flat-to-flat reproduction, which the Panasonic lens is definitely not. A projection lens is sposes to take flat field things and render them flat on projection. The one on the camera as supplied (to me!) has serious curvature of field and vignetting. I call it the Bluromat.
#10084From: Betty ClaySep 6, 1988 8:32 PM
My husband has been a camera fan for many years, but I have not. Since I wanted to use Digi-View, I've had to acquire a bit of knowledge about cameras, but I mostly depend on his knowledge. However, he had not mentioned the possibility of the adapter. He has some very fine lenses for some of his cameras, so the adapter might be all I would need. It was he who suggested the pawn shops. He said that the C-mount cameras were no longer very popular and that the most likely place to find those lenses might be at pawn shops and camera-oriented flea markets. Thanks for the information. I'd really like to get better quality from Digi-View so I'll be looking around. Oh – if I find his Spiratone catalog, I'll let you know about adapters.
#10138From: Jay GrossSep 7, 1988 12:25 AM
Well, I spent many long and pleasant years as a high-end professional commercial photographer, and I made it a habit to keep up with such minutae as lensmounts. Unfortunately, my knowledge is getting old and dated, but it do come in handy now and again. The lens you want is as short a focal length as possibe while still maintaining flat field. On 35mm cameras, that's probly one of the "macro" lenses. I use Canons, and theirs is 55mm (mine is ancient!). Nikon is 50mm, I think. The focal length will be a problem, as you'll be in superclose mode on the video camera. I'm going to figure all this out hands-on but haven't had time yet. I get most acceptable results with my DigiView as is. Oddly, when i bought the thing, I had visions of installing my outrageously sharp and expensive enlarging lenses on the thing (they fit the Cthread enough to work). Unfortunately, they have no helical for focusing, though. Well, live and learn.
#10163From: Doug WingerSep 7, 1988 2:11 AM
They do sell minibellows for enlarger lenses (and I agree, the little buggers are too d*** expensive for what you get 8) I've seen them advertised for macro/copystand work by, of all people, Spiratone. They have a variety of mounting systems (c-Nikon, c-Minolta, etc.) As with you, this is dated information. I do remember seeing one for video work somewhere <suspiciously eyeing large stack of 'Popular Photography' teetering over in corner of room> but can't remember the specifics.
#10233From: Jay GrossSep 7, 1988 5:41 PM
My instinct is that a bellows will introduce far too much extension. The back focus of the lens is not accustomed to being more than an inch, and by the time you add bellows, adapter, etc., the result is likely to be much to long. I'd have to luck onto one of the things in a real store, where I could touch it and feel it before I invested. J:
#10290From: Lloyd W. Dull IIISep 7, 1988 9:19 PM
Jay, The easy solution is to use a longer-than-"normal" enlarging lens. This will also have the added benifit of increasing the distance between the lens and the object being digitized.
#10339From: Jay GrossSep 8, 1988 12:54 AM
I couldn't get the Panasonic WV1410 to focus (even with adjusting the back focus knob) using either the 50mm S-Componon or the 80mm one. They both fit well enough in the thread, but would not focus. I hjaven't given up, just temporarily set back. :I spose I really shoulddevote energy to making the Componons work, because of their copying optimization. J:
#10186From: Don Curtis/SYSOPSep 7, 1988 3:08 AM
Jay, If my memory is correct, I belive a 'normal' lens for a video camera is in the 35mm range. Don
#10234From: Jay GrossSep 7, 1988 5:43 PM
"Normal" focal length for a video camera should be approximately the dsame as for a 16mm one, maybe a bit longer. The 16mm range is pro probably slightly wideangle on the Panasonic. I'll look through my photo doodads and see if I can pinpoint this. It's an interesting question.
#10357From: Don Curtis/SYSOPSep 8, 1988 2:09 AM
Jay, I'd be interested (just curiosity…I don't have a video camera) in what you find out. Like I said, my memory tells me it's 35mm, but I could easily be wrong. I am fairly sure that for a video camera, the focal lenght is shorter than for a 35mm SLR, and normal for them is about a 50mm lens.
#10513From: Jay GrossSep 8, 1988 8:26 PM
If you're into mathematics, the "normal" focal length for a format is defined as the DIAGONAL of the format. With 35mm, that's approx 50mm, 'cause 35mm film format (picture size) is 24mm x 36mm. Thereabouts. My confusion on the issue is that i don't know how to measure the format size of the video camera. Does a 2/3" Plumbicon mean the format is 2.3" square? J:
#10604From: Don Curtis/SYSOPSep 9, 1988 2:36 AM
Well…I presume that's a 2/3" diameter circle…and thus would hold a rectangle with a 2/3" diagonal…or about 18mm. How about this: take a 35mm SLR and look thru the viewfinder, now set up a video camera beside it and zoom in or out until you have the same field in the viewfinder (or as close as you can get depending on the aspect ratio) and then read the focal length off the zoom? That ought to give you and idea what a normal lens for a video camera should be. (Oh…forgot to mention, put a 50mm lens on the SLR)
#10251From: Betty ClaySep 7, 1988 6:11 PM
I think our best lenses were for his old Miranda. He could focus that thing on a postage stamp and make a full-size slide from it. Used it to make slides for classroom presentations, mostly. He could take a picture of any little diagram he could find, then project it for the class to see. Very, very old now – but quite good. I don't know the brand of the lenses themselves. Several yearsago, he took pictures of very faded old family pictures and made them sharp and new (with various filters). Quite a few relatives were extremely happy with the pictures he gave as Christmas presents that year!
#10344From: Dale SchlottSep 8, 1988 1:17 AM
Betty, That's one of the advantages I've found with the C-Mount adaptor on the Pan. camera with DigiView. I'm using a Cannon 50mm lens w/C-mount adaptor. I can focus on a object half an inch from the lens. You can blow-up a pin head to full screen, and still have the ability to digitize a full 8 1/2 x 11 mag page. Dale
#10353From: Jay GrossSep 8, 1988 1:34 AM
Okay, so where'd ya get the adapter doodad. I think I missed part of this thread, an account of reading only "marked" for awhile. J:
#10361From: Rick StevensSep 8, 1988 2:32 AM
WHO'S GOT THAT MIRANDA?!! I thought I was the only one that still had one! Mine's an old DR 1.9 that I bought from a fella who bought it in (believe it or not) Dallas, November 22, 1963. I've still got it, and use it on occasion on my 10" Newtonian telescope. Put a nifty cold pack back on it, hyper the film, push process it (the film is normally 200 speed), and Voila! The Trifid nebula in full color with a 22 minute exposure. Not bad for such an antique!