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#1.3 ?

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#12267From: Lloyd W. Dull IIISep 19, 1988 10:32 PM
Although 1.3's FFS does provide a much needed, and really noticable, speed increase, most of the DISPERF's are quoting the read/write times with the BUF value at 32K. The MORE telling figure is the 512 BYTE BUF stats. Here the figures are MUCH slower (65-69K/sec on my Seagate 251 VS. 232K/sec with the 32K BUF). The WHOLE system was much "snappier", but FEW things will really attain that top speed. Programs load, for example, at a rate lower than the MAX 512 BYTE rate. But still, it is a nice improvement.
#12286From: Larry RosenmanSep 19, 1988 11:10 PM
RE: Program load Times with FFS: Have You set MaxTransfer in the MountList to some value > 512? I have mine set to 204800, and programs LOAD much quicker! This is on a 2090, with Omega 9 FFS, and the 34.4 HDDISK, and an ST-251 (40 ms)
#12422From: RON TROYSep 20, 1988 6:34 PM
Larry, what is the meaning of maxtransfer, and how do you choose it? From what I'm reading, is hddisk the actual ffs software? BTW, I have a 3meg ram system, with a '33'meg 65ms hd, omti controller. Any comments on what value I would use with maxtransfer (when the time comes, of course)? Thanks,
#12453From: Larry RosenmanSep 20, 1988 9:13 PM
MaxTransfer is the total number of bytes FFS can transfer at ONE time from the drive (I. E. it uses MultiSector Writes and READS when MaxTransfer is set above 512. As for recommendations, GET THE ENHANCER BOOK (With 1.3 When Released). NO FFS is NOT in the HDDISK, it is a seperate File…. I dont want to do the recommendations, I just made mine 2 Meg, but that was a guess. Larry Rosenman via Whap! 1.4R
#12497From: RON TROYSep 20, 1988 11:54 PM
Larry, how much ram do you have? I would imagine that if I were to tune down blitzdisk (after all, I won't need it as much) and set maxtransfer to some number like .5meg (I have 3 meg ram) I would be in good shape. I also get an impression from what you're saying that preffs only does single sector writes and reads. I would think that if I do much more then .5meg that I will tie up a lot of ram while some code tries to catch up. Ron
#12536From: John DraperSep 21, 1988 2:14 AM
Ron, Maxtransfer does not eat memory. Here's the scoop… 1.2 file system reads/writes only 512 bytes at a time. Most controllers are capable of asking the drive for a number of sectors, starrting at a given sector. FFS is capable of multi-sector read/write, and in addition, allows you to set the maximum number of bytes that can be asked for by the file system in any one IO request to the driver. Since the file syatem knows about teh Amigados file format, it can determine how many contiguous sectors can be read while reading a file, and will ask for them if maxTransfer is set high enough. Asking the controller to transfer say, 10 sectors, is a LOT quicker than asking it to transfer 1 sector at a time for each sector of the 10. As the number of sectors asked for increases, the benefit increases. Addbuffers is what will eat some memory. -larry
#12610From: Don Curtis/SYSOPSep 21, 1988 2:39 PM
Larry, Unless they've changed something recently, the use of MaxTransfer appears to be a limiting parameter rather than a performance upgrade parameter. The reason I say this is that if you don't include that parameter in your mountlist for the FFS drive, you get no difference in performance (using diskperf) than if you had it set at a number above 32768. If you set it at a lower number, (such as 4096), then the diskperf figures are the same for buffer sizes of 4096, 8192 and 32767. Getting away from diskperf, and into the real world where program sizes are easily in the 100K category, I'm not so sure that MaxTransfer would do you much good there either since the loader seems to be the slow down. I do suspect that MaxTransfer can eat up memory, at least during disk i/o, since if you ask for 32K bytes at once…they have to be buffered somewhere. Perhaps a balance between the buffers, maxtransfer and priority parameters could be achieved to maximize performance. Don
#12586From: Larry RosenmanSep 21, 1988 1:59 PM
I happen to have 3 Meg (1 meg on the motherboard, and a A-2052). As Larry Phillips says, MaxTransfer does NOT eat memory, but my 300 buffers of AddBuffers does. Larry Rosenman via Whap! 1.4R
#12611From: RON TROYSep 21, 1988 2:41 PM
You don't want to know what I have blitzdisk set to! Ron
#12448From: Lloyd W. Dull IIISep 20, 1988 8:53 PM
Larry, I ran some tests with MaxTransfer and settled on a value of 20000. Diskperf has 4 read/write speed tests at the end – 512 bytes, 4K, 8K and 32K bytes. MaxTransfers greater than 10000 only affected the last test (32K), the rest (first 3 tests) were identical. MaxTransfer = 255 was the slowest, with a max speed in the 32K test of about 85K/second. My point was that the 512 byte test topped out at about 65/second – even when the 32K test was showing 238K/second. And ACTUAL LOAD times were less than the 65K/second. So the figures we've seen bandied about ARE a bit misleading. But the system IS snappier with 1.3. Lloyd
#12454From: Larry RosenmanSep 20, 1988 9:13 PM
What MaxTransfer does is set the MAX amount that can be transfered in ONE request to the driver. If the DISK is NOT Fragmented, the MaxTransfer helps. I run mine with MaxTransfer set at 204800 so I gets up to 204K at a clip. I also run with 300 buffers, and getting something the 2nd time is nice. FFS is a *LOT* smarter about what gets cached in the extra buffers (like Directory and Header blocks, not data blocks). Bear in mind, I do not work for or represent Commodore, and have found this out from being a Gamma/Omega tester of the Software. More definitive Info should (I HOPE) be in the 1.3 release docs. Larry Rosenman via Whap! 1.4R
#12480From: John DraperSep 20, 1988 11:10 PM
Lloyd, The figures are not misleading in terms of transfer rate of data (as opposed to program loading). The loader introduces its own overhead due to the need to relocate programs. -larry
#12525From: Don Curtis/SYSOPSep 21, 1988 1:13 AM
Lloyd, An interesting point in relation to MaxTransfer. The Gamma doc says that the number is supposed to be the maximum number of _blocks_ transfered during any one read/write. In fact, it's the maximum number of _bytes_ transfered. Easy way to test this (which is how I found out) is to set it at 4096 and run diskperf. You'll find the 4096 , 8192 and 32767 numbers all the same. Also, I found NO difference in speed if I set MaxTransfer at a quite high number or left that parameter out alltogether. Don
#12612From: RON TROYSep 21, 1988 2:41 PM
What about the effect of max in program loading? Ron
#12621From: Don Curtis/SYSOPSep 21, 1988 3:06 PM
Ron, I wasn't able to 'see' any difference. My quickie check was to time the startup (lots of program loading). I never used a real low number thou…and suspect it would slow down program loading. I'll do some more playing tonight and let you know some exact values. Don
#12479From: John DraperSep 20, 1988 11:08 PM
Larry, Be aware that some controllers limit the number of sectors allowed to be transfered in one operation. As an example, (though it may not apply to other controllers such as the 2090) the Western Digital WX-1 allows 256 sectors to be transferred at once only.
#12460From: Dean BrownSep 20, 1988 10:22 PM
Lloyd, Yes, most published figures show the 32K buffer size numbers, but on all of my diskperfs, I get between 2 – 3.5 times faster with 512 byte buffer sizes. For me the directory scan speed increase is the one that I notice the most, and again that shows 2 – 3 times faster. I think you'll find, that after 1.3 and FFS becomes availiable, developers will start to take advantage of the speed increases with larger buffer sizes. ie. speed up picture loads. load the entire file into a ram buffer (if ram is availiable) and the decompress and decode. That should speedup loads by about 5 – 10 times. -Dean