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Animation Contest

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#109From: Lou WallaceSep 8, 1990 9:29 AM
Just A reminder. The deadline for the second Amiga World Animation contest is mid November….and entries are pouring in. If you have questions of the rules or prizes, see any recent issue of Amiga World (the prizes are pretty nice). If you have any other questions, you can call me at the office – 603-924-9471 x 107 or post your questions here. -Lou Wallace
#243From: PETER S. WASONSep 12, 1990 1:29 PM
Lou Do the anims have to be on disk or can we send in a videotape (3/4" ok?) with or without music? We do a lot of anims (especially Pagerender 3-d and we have been adding music as we put them on video…… Thx -SAM
#265From: Lou WallaceSep 13, 1990 8:15 AM
Yes, you can submit entries on video tape, as long as you 1) Send a master (1st generation) on 3/4" or 1" tape 2) Send a copy on VHS 3) Send enough of the anim on disk to PROVE it is Amiga generated. If you don't send enough on disk we may ask for more (if we arn't sure) if you are a prize winner. Good Luck! BTW – Get those entries in soon – the deadline is November! -LOu
#272From: Vic WagnerSep 13, 1990 12:58 PM
Have you found an 'easy' to pay royalties on the music you're adding? When we tried that at the club a year ago, we went nuts (the royalties were going to be in the $7/tape (30 minutes of video)) which we couldn't afford. Victor A. Wagner, Jr.
#279From: PETER S. WASONSep 13, 1990 3:54 PM
Um, we use our own music in our videos and anims……..it works out best that way. Either I record on 4-trak or go into my roommate's studio (a full-blown affair) or I use the Amiga to generate the music and record it on tape. M is very good and easy to create simple cyclical music that you can layer easily. Especially with a 4-trak, you can generate one percussive part and record on one trak, then generate completely unrelated other music and add it to the first and sometimes you get some really wild stuff….. -Then people might end up paying YOU royalties, no? -Scott
#334From: Vic WagnerSep 14, 1990 4:10 PM
Unfortunately, we don't have any musicians in the club who volunteered their stuff. We 'simply' wanted to put some music (from CDs) on the sound tracks to make the video more pleasing. A couple of things got in the way (although we were using mostly a single 'artist'). First, it turns out that the albums were published by several different companies, so we had to deal with them separately. Then there was a 'synchronization license' or something like that which we NEVER did try to get because the person who handled that said we needed release from the (C) holders AND (P) holders for the performances we wished to copy. Things wouldn't have been too bad, except that we planned on making maybe (only) 100 copies. This caused some consternation with the record companies who had been willing to 'sell' the rights for around US$.05 / per minute…until they heard that our run was going to be so small….and their TOTAL income from this wouldn't cover their paperwork costs and, in effect, raised their royalties to around US$.25/minute. For a 35 minute tape, that comes to $7.75/copy. We'd sorta been hoping to sell them for around $15 and make a little money for the club, but with royalties alone coming to almost $8 it wasn't gonna work too well. The _final_ straw was CBS Records who _refused_ to let us put 2 minutes 30 seconds of "Jeff Wayne's War of the World" on the tape. Since the animation (a work in progress, the author/artist plans on doing the ENTIRE piece) had been made specifically to synch to this piece I chose to 'call it quits' on the soundtrack. It was a VERY disappointing experience. It is my opinion, that if the music industry wants to lower piracy, they ought to make it a bit easier to get 'legal' copies of music onto other media. It is absolutely clear that this video would have 'promoted' the music on the soundtrack (we had one public performance of it (at the club meeting) and were deluged with requests for the names of the pieces on it). Victor A. Wagner, Jr.
#450From: Ray LewisSep 17, 1990 9:49 PM
Vic: Sorry it took so long to respond to your explaination of what you were trying to do with the music. Now that I see you were trying to take commercial CD music performances and put them over the tape, I understand your problem. This is not a good way to go for small run projects, as you found out. For future reference, you should consider a couple of alternatives if you ever decide to do this sort of thing again: a) If someone in your group plays music, or if someone has some musical ability and has something like DMCS, you can take a lead sheet (i.e. the melody line of a piece of music in notation form) and either play it in via midi, or enter it with DMCS (or Sonix), and then do your own arrangement with various harmonies, percussion, etc. That way you can use existing tunes, but NOT the commerical performance. The royalties are fairly inexpensive under this scenario! (< 5 cents per cut, I believe). I do this all the time for my own use, and have not tried to distribute, so I can't absolutely guarantee that the royalty thing is easier. But, I have been involved with folks who put out records that occasionally contain "covers" of songs written by others, and have worked with folks who play "cover" music in performance. That's where my impression about covering songs with your own arrangements comes from (as opposed to using another artist's actual performance). b) There is an entire industry surrounding soundtrack music. If you know anyone in the advertising or radio business, they might be able to get you access to a library of tunes for just this purpose. Generally, the music is pretty good, comes in all kinds of flavors, and is available for reasonable royalties. I've used this quite a bit in the past for industrial slide and tape shows (tho I don't do that sort of thing anymore, and don't live in the same city anymore, or I'd get you some names of sources — some other folks around here might be current on sources and rates, tho.) [ MORE ]
#291From: Ray LewisSep 13, 1990 9:27 PM
Vic: Look for the ASCAP or BMI office in a city near you and ask them. (BTW -this is strictly a personal experience, limited to an experience I had in Dallas, but based on that, I'd trust a local BMI rep before I'd trust ASCAP — I had an ASCAP local rep down there try to rip off a club owner, not by lying, but by "playing dumb" about the rules) Anyway, I could be wrong about this, but, if you are doing the arranging and performance (i.e. through MIDI or using something like DMCA or Sonix), then the regular author's royalties for a BMI or ASCAP piece shouldn't be more than < 5 cents per cut per unit. ?|^] Ray Lewis
#335From: Vic WagnerSep 14, 1990 4:10 PM
Ray, see my response to Scott Matalon. Someday, when I cool down about this, I'm gonna write up this tale (which took place over 2 months) and send it all to my congressman the next time the 'music industry' asks for protection against the 'rampant piracy' problem. Victor A. Wagner, Jr.
#346From: David ArtSep 14, 1990 10:16 PM
Vic, Write away – they're back at it right now, still complaining about DAT. (remember DAT? I wonder if we'll see it in consumer quantity before it's obsolete.) David