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PageStream 2.0 problems

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#258From: John PendergrassSep 9, 1990 4:34 PM
I've been using PageStream 2.0 for about a week or so now…. two problems I have noticed; has anyone else? 1) Program will freeze when resizing an IFF graphic at times. There is one image that is consistently freezing on me now, whether I try to resize it individually, or even do a page resize. I get the hourglass, and then wait, wait, wait…. freeze. 2) CG fonts, at large sizes (usally with 36 point or above) will (seemingly) randomly lose characters when PRINTING. They show on the screen fine, but when printing they don't appear. Space for them is on the printout, (blank space) but no character. I've only noticed it at the highest res printing (Deskjet @ 300dpi) – printing at 150dpi brings the character back…. I've noticed it with several fonts, from the Gold Disk CG fonts series (Garamond, New Cent Schbk, Avant Guarde, others) Any thoughts? I've noticed both these problems with a couple files…. –jp–
#275From: [F] ArnoSep 9, 1990 8:11 PM
Sounds like the idiots at AGFA Compugraphic strike again. We've had reports of such strange happenings also, and it sounds like Soft Logik is using the same CG Code. Tom Gandey Gold Disk, Inc. Technical Support
#298From: SyndesisSep 9, 1990 11:07 PM
Are you referring to glitches in Compugraphic code? I've worked with Bitstream's code as well as Compugraphic's. Both are *awful*. They purport to hand out 'portable' C code… even considering C's limitations in this area, and the good parts of ANSI C, they've succeeded in creating code that I doubt will compile cleanly anywhere beyond their home system. It's sad that they ask $20K-30K to license it. And I've venture that the Compugraphic support in Pro Page accounts for 150K-200K of code, too.
#424From: [F] ArnoSep 11, 1990 8:15 PM
Actually only 100K of code for CG support 8). From what I've seen/heard of AGFA CGs handling code, its a wonder that it was ever coaxed into compiling. Tom Gandey Gold Disk, Inc./ Technical Supportexi t
#443From: SyndesisSep 11, 1990 9:30 PM
And it's different for Pro Page versus Pro Draw, right – one needs just the rasterizer, the other the outlines, but not the rasters…
#824From: [F] ArnoSep 15, 1990 9:41 PM
Give John $500 for the correct answer in the CGFont category Alex! Tom Gandey, Gold Disk
#358From: John PendergrassSep 10, 1990 10:38 PM
I've used the fonts with PPage 1.3 and not had any problems. What you say implies that it is a CG problem, not a PageStream? Is there any workaround you know of? thanks –jp–
#417From: Paul GerhardtSep 11, 1990 6:57 PM
John, Just a reminder that the only way to NOT use the CG fonts in PgS is to remove them from the font list with the font manager. If they are present PgS will automatically replace tyme and helv with the CG fonts times and Trium.. -Paul-
#425From: [F] ArnoSep 11, 1990 8:16 PM
This sounds like a CG Problem, because I have heard of isolate incidents of characters "dropping out" on the screen. Tom Gandey Gold Disk, Inc. Technical Support
#313From: Paul GerhardtSep 10, 1990 6:24 AM
John, 1. Yes I have noticed the problem, not with resizing (I just have not yet tryed that much), but when changing the view magnification. It results in the same effect though – a larger image on screen. Seems to occur only with large (hi rez – lots of bitplanes) iff files. 2. I have experienced this one also. But I have a clue on in this case. If I free up more chip ram by closing down the WB etc. Then some of the characters come back. I hace a feeling the CG fonts algorythms require large amounts of chip ram "work space" to do their thing. Is anyone out there working on a board to install a TWO meg agnus in a 2000?! -Paul-
#355From: John PendergrassSep 10, 1990 10:37 PM
Paul, regarding problem #2: the disappearing CG fonts on printouts; Do you mean that you have had SCREEN redraw problems? Mine have looked fine on screen, but I lose many capital letters when printing out (to Deskjet @ 300dpi only – 150dpi, 75dpi seem to work fine) This is very weird, and of course makes using the CG fonts about useless for headlines. regarding the crash when resizing…. %^$# …. I think I'll go back to version 1.8, since its been a LONG time since I crashed that one…. dang, I wish they'd do it right! –jp-exuit
#407From: Paul GerhardtSep 11, 1990 3:48 PM
John, No the screen fonts always look fine. But if I free up chip ram some if not all of the characters that would not print now do. Sounds like the CG font algorythms need large chunks of chip ram to do there thing, and just give up if they can't get it. The work around is to simply not use CG fonts! The SL fonts still work fine. I have not yet been able to try Adobe (sp?) type 1 fonts. That may be another solution. As to the resizing "freeze", I'll run some tests and get back to you. I'll also jump over to SL's BBS and see whats cooking over there about this. They have been pretty good about stomping on bugs lately. I'll let you know what I find out. -Paul-
#450From: John PendergrassSep 11, 1990 10:12 PM
I'd appreciate your trying to figure out the 'crash on resizing' problem. I'll keep working on it too. Will try the free chip ram technique and see if anything happens…. I have been trying to get on the SL BBS for weeks and get constant busy signals. Man, what's the secret? (I used to be on it fairly often, months ago) –jp–
#544From: Paul GerhardtSep 12, 1990 8:13 PM
I am now of the opinion that Soft Logik should ask Compugraphic for their money back! I just discovered another CG font bug when printing using the "tiling" option. Any CG character (and only CG characters – not graphics or PgS characters) that were divided by a page border were not rendered properly. About the last 16th of an inch of the character that was divided along the right side of a tile wrapped around and was printed on the left side! I "removed" all traces of the CG fonts from the font list and all my problems went away. In fact I just tryed resizing the page that caused the "freeze" problem, multitasking PgS with Whap! as I am writing this. While I got a polite "out of memory" message, there was no freeze and and most of the page was displayed. I have read postings that the cause of PgS2.0's delayed release was due to difficulties in getting the CG code to work – and I believe it! BOY AM I GLAD CBM DID NOT INCLUDE "COMPUGRAPHIC FONT TECHNOLOGY" IN WB 2.0!
#650From: Ray LewisSep 13, 1990 9:28 PM
Paul: I realize that the Gold Disk fellow has himself complained about CG code. But, you know what? I've used ProPage extemsively with ProPage and CG fonts, both output to postscripet (at work) and output to dot matric (at home) AND have never had a single problem! (Using fonts as large as 60 points) ?|^] Ray Lewis
#664From: Christopher LapriseSep 13, 1990 11:25 PM
Are you sure Compugraphic wrote the CG font code in PageStream? I would tend to think it was SoftLogic's error in handling a new font type.
#676From: SyndesisSep 14, 1990 12:04 AM
When a company gets the rights to use Compugraphic font technology, they pay about $20K or $30K and get the rights to port a set of code. The code supposedly runs on Suns, but they certainly don't supply the code in any form ready to run on the Amiga. So there's plenty of room for an implementor of Compugraphic code to make a mistake, and produce something that doesn't work 100 percent.
#832From: [F] ArnoSep 15, 1990 10:19 PM
But isn't it funny how two seperate developers have the *SAME* problems with what I assume is the same code? Tom Gandey, Gold Disk
#732From: Paul GerhardtSep 14, 1990 4:13 PM
My guess is that is is probably a little bit of both. I'm sure when a company buys a licence to use "Compugraphic Font Technology" they are buying more than just the font designs. They must be purchasing the right to use CG's Outline font to bitmap algorythms. This code must then be interfaced with the rest of the program code. But then I'm just a user, and this is just an educated guess. Our local Gold Disk rep should be able to give us the scoop on this CG font business. -Paul-
#831From: [F] ArnoSep 15, 1990 10:18 PM
Nope. When you lay $30K out to Compugraphic they hand you some really bad code and you exclaim, "Eeeeek! 30K!" We've got it patched up pretty well, but as PGS and PP users alike have found, CG still has a little work to do. Tom Gandey, Gold Disk
#1188From: Ray LewisSep 19, 1990 7:07 PM
Tom: Since you are hanging around :), thought I'd ask a quick question. (Of course, I am probably not capable of asking a _quick_ question 🙂 Situation: I purchased ProPage, Transcript, and ProDraw back in February. Later on I got The Advantage. Didn't register (I'm reall bad about that.) Even though I knew that there were upgrades, for what I had to do, it worked just fine, and so I didn't bother. However, I have just been handed the responsiblity for doing our company newsletter, and it uses a LOT of Palatino in sizes ranging from 8 pt to 90 pt. The ProPage I got had an extra booklet for "1.3", but only had Times and Triumverate in the CG fonts. It had a flyer to get the rest at a discount. I went to the store where I bought these yesterday, hoping to buy the dick with the rest of the CG fonts. They only had some other GD font disks, not the one mentioned in the flyer, and said that the "new" ProPage 1.3 came with ALL the standrad CG fonts? Now, they might be wrong, I dunno. However, since I also would like to get ProDraw 2.0 (shipped since Feb.), and hear that there has been at one upgrade to Advantage (I got it when I just came out) I would like to upgrade EVERYTHING at once. What I'd like to do is fill out all the registration cards, and get my company to cut me a check for a full upgrade of all of this, as applicable. Could you give me a) the current version mumber of EACH of these programs (ProPage, ProDraw, Transcript and Advantage), b) the upgrade cost for EACH if its higher than my version (which they will all probably be) and c) instructions as to whatever else I need to send (manual cover, original disks, etc.), plus c) the cost of the rest of the standard CGFonts, if they DON'T come with a ProPage upgrade. Thanks, ?|^] Ray Lewis
#1562From: [F] ArnoSep 23, 1990 8:29 PM
*Quick Question?, yes, you were right, you can't ask one* Ray: These are the current revs of the software packages you asked about: Advantage 1.1 (Should be shipping RRRRRSN) Transcript V1.00 (The extra zero makes a difference) PPage 1.3.1 PDraw 2.01 The upgrade to ProDraw 2.x is $60US, the rest of the upgrade are free. What you have to do here is send TWO letters, send the $60/reg. Card for PDraw and the other 3 to CUSTOMER SERVICE, and then send a request for the versions of PPage, TS, and Advantage to TECHNICAL SUPPORT. Sorry for the hassle, but that way your request will be handled efficiently, and you should get everything you ask for about 2 weeks after we receive it. Tom Gandey, Gold Disk
#1777From: Ray LewisSep 26, 1990 8:29 PM
Tom: I will do so. Thanks for the input. I really do appreciate your being here, but I do want to make one comment: I have called the phone number you all put in your magazine ads quite a few times. Here are the results of those calls: No answer (4 to 5 times). A person who had no idea what I was talking about (inquiring about a software package advertised in a current magazine for the Amiga.) Twice. Forwarded to another person who gave me incorrect information (twice). Told to call a different number (Tech service) which was not answered when I tried to call (twice). Then, at World of Amiga here in New York City this Spring, when you all had a booth, I told my tale to a young fellow (in his twenties, I think) who spoke with an accent which appeared to be neither Canadian, French, nor American. His reaction was NOT to take my name and address and phone number and assure me that I would get some help. Instead, I essentially got an "It's not my job" answer. Now, here in CI$, I see a rep from Gold Disk going on constantly about how his company is "the biggest supplier of Amiga software", and constantly b*thching about, and beating up on CompuGraphics and Commodore. Geez — like the man said, "Remove the beam from your own eye before you attempt to extract the mote from the eye of your neighbor." ?|^] Ray Lewis
#1244From: Christopher LapriseSep 20, 1990 9:10 AM
I would also like to know where I could buy supplemental CG fonts (which I use with PageSetter-II).
#1563From: [F] ArnoSep 23, 1990 8:29 PM
Call the nice lady in customer service 1 800 GOLD DSK, and she'll be able to tell you about all of the ones we offer. Tom Gandey, Gold Disk
#830From: [F] ArnoSep 15, 1990 10:16 PM
Sounds like a bug we found in CG's code (and fixed), but for some reason I don't think our boys are going to be all to helpful to SoftLogik. Tom Gandey, Gold Disk
#864From: Paul GerhardtSep 16, 1990 7:14 AM
Thanks for the info Tom. BTW our last conversation was cut off by the great forum split. You had asked if PgS had a "font cashe". Well I'm only a user and not completely sure, but I can tell you that the first time PgS displays CG text it is (on a stock Amiga) incredibly slow. After the first display, redraws of the CG text are only very slow. So something must be going on. There is also a strange directory called CGTYPEBITBUCKETS which may be serving that function. Whatever is going on is all automatic. There is no option for the user to create a specific cashe. -Paul-
#1560From: [F] ArnoSep 23, 1990 8:21 PM
Thanks for the info… I don't get mad with CGFonts too much on the 3000, and most of them are pre-calculated from previous sessions anyways, so things flow nicely. Tom Gandey, Gold Disk
#973From: Vic WagnerSep 17, 1990 11:45 AM
Nor, I expect, will they even bother to tell CG. Remind me to never let you beta test any of my stuff. Victor A. Wagner, Jr.
#1561From: [F] ArnoSep 23, 1990 8:23 PM
What do you *REALLY* expect us to do? Fix sloppy CG code that we paid big $$$ for and hand it back to them? Tom Gandey, Gold Disk
#378From: Rob SalmonSep 11, 1990 2:25 AM
I had a similar problem with ProPage (characters showing fine on the screen but not printing); solved it by reloading and regenerating CGFonts and CGCache directories from the original floppies to my HD. Don't know if this will help with PS, but you might try it. Rob.