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#A3000 tech questions

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#917From: ALEXSep 16, 1990 8:50 PM
I am a longtime owner and user of the A1000, but am now seriously considering an A3000 or even an A2000. However, I have some very serious questions about the capabilities of the A3000 and whether it will fit my needs better than a A2000 or IBM-compatible clone. I would also like anyone's opinion on the subject of running both MS-DOS and AmigaDos together as well as any suggestions or problems users might have experienced in the past using this type of system. Also interested in any configurations now being used by both A2000 and especially A3000 owners using the dual operating system with either a 286 or 386 bridgeboard on their machine. Please excuse my lack of knowledge on some these more technical aspects of the Amiga 2000 hardware as well as software, for I have been using an A1000 for so long that I've forgotten most of the details. 1. Does the A3000 work properly with a 386 (such as the PC Elevator board) or even a 286 bridgeboard made by Commodore the way they would on an A2000? Does Commodore plan on making a 386-based bb in the near future or are we stuck at the 286 level for awhile? I've heard that neither board works as of yet with the A3000 computer for whatever reason I'm not sure. 2. Does AmigaDos 1.3/2.0 work with MS-DOS files on the same hard drive (in different directories I imagine) or is a separate drive necessary altogether? 3. Is memory shared by the two operating systems or are 2 megs, for example, needed in conjunction with a 286/386 bridgeboard in addition to Amiga chip & fast memory? Assuming they are run one at a time. 4. Can AmigaDos 1.3/2.0 run at the same time as MS-DOS without problem? Say, run MS-DOS in a window of AmigaDos? 5. What previously written software for AmigaDos 1.2/1.3 work on AmigaDos 2.0? Thanks for all your help! Alex
#927From: Thomas HoladaySep 16, 1990 9:59 PM
Okay, in order: 1) Commodore has not announced a 386 Bridgeboard product. _One_ foreign developer told me last year that he had seen a 386 Bridgeboard being worked on by Commodore Germany. This has never been confirmed from a second source. The A3000 chassis is little-and-lovely rather than hefty-hefty, and is thus ill-suited to the buy-one-of-everything eight-slot MS-DOS approach to life. It appears straightforward to extend the A3000 chassis to provide additional Janus slots, if you are an electrical engineer. You need to be an electrical engineer or a Canadian in order to use the existing Bridgeboards with the A3000, since their software requires a 5.25" drive for installation, and the 5.25" drive doesn't fit inside the A3000 case. It is said (but not confirmed) that Commodore Canada has Bridgeboards that do not require the 5.25" drive. 2) The Janus libraries allow AmigaDOS and MS-DOS to share a hard drive. Janus utilities are provided to let you copy files from one system to the other. Extensions to the Amiga file system which would allow you to call up MS-DOS files and Amiga files with the same file requester have been mentioned as possible 3rd party products. 3) The Bridgeboard has its own memory, and can use the rest of Amiga memory only by the somewhat fishy means of creating an MS-DOS RAMdisk in Amiga memory and then running an MS-DOS Expanded Memory Emulator which will treat the RAMdisk as MS-DOS Expanded memory. If that's too strange, the AST RamPage board works nicely with the AT Bridge. 4) The Janus libraries bring up MS-DOS in a window on the Workbench screen or on a custom screen, and permit easy cut-and-paste between the two. 5) Most 1.3 software works on AmigaDOS 2.0. Main exceptions _today_ are animation programs (due to a feature Commodore added very late, which will be changed). THol() { cout << "Sir, I exist." ;}
#942From: Don Curtis/SYSOPSep 17, 1990 12:09 AM
Alex, 1. yes, some folks have reported problems with running a bridgeboard with an A3000. Others have reported no problems. Yes, I believe the PCElevator does work with the BridgeBoard, but I know of no one with an A3000 plus PC accellerator so can't give you a definate answer if that specific combination has been known to work or not. No idea on a 386 BB from Commodore. Rumor has it that they are working on one…but NO official word from Commodore. 2. Yes, both MS-DOS and AmigaDOS can share a hard drive…either way, that is…AmigaDOS can use a hard drive hooked to the MS-DOS side, or MS-DOS can use a hard drive hooked to the Amiga side. AmigaDOS can not be booted from an MS-DOS side HD, since AmigaDOS must be running before you can access the BridgeBoard; however, the BridgeBoard CAN be booted from an AmigaDOS side hard drive. If the Amiga is using an MS-DOS side hard drive…it's a separate partition. If the MS-DOS side is using an Amiga side hard drive, it simply one large file under AmigaDOS…it doesn't have to be a separate partition. Be aware…a shared hard drive is relatively slow when compared to a hard drive directly hooked to the appropriate side. 3. NO, there is no shared user memory. There is 128k of dual ported memory…attached to either side…but that's used for side-side communication and also as the video RAM of the MS-DOS side. It is not what you would call "user" memory…it is not available for any other use. continued…
#944From: Don Curtis/SYSOPSep 17, 1990 12:13 AM
continuation… 4. AmigaDOS and MS-DOS are totally separate…neither affects the other, so yes…you can run both at once. MS-DOS, when sharing the Amiga's monitor does in fact *display* in a window…it *runs* on the BridgeBoard. You can add a separate display adapter and 2nd monitor if you desire something other than CGA or MDA. 5. Most 1.2/1.3 software works under 2.0. Since 2.0 is not final yet…a specific list (were one available) can not be given of what works and what doesn't. Don