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#Amiga PostScript NEEDS!

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#1795From: Jamie RobertsonSep 26, 1990 9:43 PM
Chris, Some of your message is above my head, but I agree! I use postscript all of the time on my 3000. I have the HP Laser IIP with a Pacific Data postscript cart. I would love to have more fonts. I will review your message and see what I can understand, conversion wise, and type you back. I would love to see the Amiga DTP area grow. GREAT Message!! We need more people to push for this type of programs and utilities. Keep up the great work 🙂 Thanks! Jamie
#1856From: Ethan SolomitaSep 27, 1990 5:40 PM
I'm not sure about ProPage, but PageStream 2.0 can handle Adobe type 1 fonts, so you can buy them in IBM format and use crossdos or dos2dos to put it onto an Amiga disk. — Ethan
#1889From: Christopher TolmieSep 27, 1990 8:54 PM
Ethan, I haven't gotten around to upgrading my pagestream just yet. I keep reading about problems, slow screen refreshes (even with '030s), etc. I'm gonna wait a while and lurk for a while. But I've got around 200 Type 1 fonts waiting for a good Amiga use. And my version of PSFont is suppose to handle MAC Type 1 and 3 fonts besides the IBM versions. chris AT&G
#1917From: Jamie RobertsonSep 27, 1990 10:38 PM
Ethan, I have only used Propage. Have you used it? I need to try out Pagestream. I have heard many good things about it. I have CrossDos, guess I'll have to spring for Pagestream. Thanks! Jamie
#2077From: Ethan SolomitaSep 29, 1990 1:45 AM
The main thing about PageStream is that it is very intuitive. I was able to start using it immediately and effectively. ProPage, which I don't own I've merely played with, was very different. I'm sure it is more powerful but I would've had to study the manual to get the effect. — Ethan
#2145From: Jamie RobertsonSep 30, 1990 12:33 AM
Thanks for the response and tip. I think Pagestream might be better for me. Propage seems kinga tough. I will have to get Pagestream soon. Thanks! Jamie
#2291From: Malcolm O'BrienOct 1, 1990 7:26 PM
While we're on the subject: Is anybody using Saxon? We got a beta a Transactor and I've used it a bit. It has some really interesting features and performed very well for me. But it is (or was, not sure) PostScript only. Malcolm
#2301From: Jamie RobertsonOct 1, 1990 7:45 PM
Malcom, You did get to use Saxon? How was it? A postcsript only DTP program would be great for me. I need to find a demo of it. Thanks! Jamie
#2411From: Malcolm O'BrienOct 2, 1990 6:19 PM
Jamie, Yeah, it did get to use it. I could use it now if I wanted but no PS. 🙁 When it came in, Paul started it up and tried to use it without reading anything. Not recommended. 🙂 I went through through their tutorial and played with a few other things. It uses paragraph tagging like Ventura BUT it'll also let you use dropshadows and adjust their angle and shade. You can rotate text too. Screen updates are fairly speedy (nice!). Irregular shaped boxes. They said that the release version would include backdrops; i.e. bricks, graduated screens, etc. but that feature was NOT in the beta we received. It really looks like a _sharp_ program; particularly for those that have to do `trick' page (for ads and such, as opposed to phone books). We weren't about to switch programs and I can't use it now cause I need dot-matrix output. Some of Nick's PS utilities functioned specifically with ProPage output I believe and besides we knew PP well. But Saxon sure seems to have a lot of promise. Malcolm
#2505From: Jamie RobertsonOct 3, 1990 11:15 PM
Thanks Malcom. I'll keep my eye out on Saxon. I would like to see it run. Hopefully my local guy will have it so I can play with it a bit. Thanks! Jamie
#2153From: Wayne ColeSep 30, 1990 1:26 AM
Jamie, Take a look at your ProPage manual(s); a good summary is to peek at the 1.3 upgrde manual pp 36 and 37. I believe you can use downloadable fonts and even swap EPS graphic files among platforms. If you output PostScript to a file, the file can be taken to a service (or sent via modem) for output on any postscript compatible device you care to spring for. You mainly would be interested in PageStream for its other features. ProPage is just a page layout program. It has only rudimentary features of a document assembly/mangement publishing program as well. PageStream has a few more, but as yet I've not seen anything on the Amiga that is really a professional DTP program in the sense that it can easily handle all the DTP tasks in a single environment (auto index, auto number, page numbering auto headers, single enviroment fast text entry, graphics editting, page layout, auto table of contents, auto date, revision bar placement, one-touch single-sided/double sided format toggling…). This is not picking. It is a fact of the Amiga's young age and the inability of any amiga developer to devote 50-100 person-year efforts and expect to get their money back. Anyway, I'f you decide to get PageStream, it probably won't do anytthing more for you in the PosScript area than ProPage. However it does do enough that PP doesn't that it is sort of a nice complement to ProPage. wmc
#2179From: Jim VentolaSep 30, 1990 1:01 PM
Wayne– Doesn TeX do all the things you mention. But then, you might have to devote those same person years yourself–for learning it. But I agree, Ppage is not THAT hard to learn and with the money saved one could get PDraw and some fonts and have a more useful system.
#2249From: Wayne ColeOct 1, 1990 2:48 AM
Jim. I know of TeX but I don't know TeX, so I can't answer your question. I had been told wonce before that it had all the doc stuff in it… maybe I shoudl check into it further. wmc
#2557From: Jim VentolaOct 4, 1990 6:31 PM
I am getting a demo of Amiga TeX sent to me from radical.eye. So I picked up a copy of "TeX for the Impatient" by Paul Abrahams. I'll probably never find the time to study it, but I am intrigued. I saw some amazing uses of TeX with MicroFiche Filer and ARexx at a meeting of the MIT Amiga club a couple of years ago.
#2235From: Jamie RobertsonSep 30, 1990 11:44 PM
Thanks Wayne for the reply. You may be right about the two working well for me depending on the application. I try to do the text part of my page with Propage. It is tough 🙂 I would like to have a spellchecker and dictionary available too. I'll have to try out Pagestream and see. I have had pretty good results from Propage. I guess I am looking for the ultimate program? Thanks! JAmie
#2250From: Wayne ColeOct 1, 1990 2:48 AM
Jamie, I want the ultimate one too. Right now I'm keeping both ProPage active (mainly for its pro draw support) and PageStream active (for its flexibility and the odd feature or two not available in ProPage). I'm also keeping and eye on Saxon. In another release or two it may be the combination of features that allow one to be a one program DTP operation. wmc
#2300From: Jamie RobertsonOct 1, 1990 7:44 PM
Saxon was the other I was wanting to ask you about. I have not seen it yet. I have heard some nice things, but no proof 🙂 Thanks! Jamie
#2292From: Malcolm O'BrienOct 1, 1990 7:26 PM
Wayne, I'd certainly like to find all those things in an Amiga program too. A ProPage-using friend is ready to switch to Quark w/AMAX but first quizzed me on Ventura. I might be ready to make a switch myself. Ventura has a lot of nice features (especially for long docs) but offers a LOT of annoyances too. I much prefer working with ProPage but I've been spoiled by Ventura's fast refresh. What program were you speaking of that has all those features? Malcolm
#2378From: Wayne ColeOct 2, 1990 2:43 AM
Malcom, The program is an Apollo resident version of Interleaf (approx $3k for the package). They are now porting a scaled back version to both Mac and IBM that will go for about $900, I believe (I can check the price at work tomorrow). The Amiga stuff has the hard part done – pagelayout. Now a few global things like headers, footers, TOC, index and auto numbers is all that would be needed to compete very effectivlt with thos program. BTW the version I am running on the Apollo is a 25 Mhz 68030 with 68882, 4 meg mem and 155 MB hd hooked to an Apple NTX II printer. wmc
#2444From: Malcolm O'BrienOct 3, 1990 12:21 AM
Whoosh! That's a LOT of cash, Wayne! geoPublish looks better all the time. <grin> Your right about Ami DTP; page layout is fine and so is the user interface (of course). Those extras you mentioned would make a BIG difference. I don't think that it will be too long before they're incorporated into ProPage (I hope). Those are the thing about Ventura that are really neat. Course, at the office where I use Ventura, I don't need them! At home, I really do! Why do things happen like this? Malcolm
#2455From: Wayne ColeOct 3, 1990 2:48 AM
Malcolm, Hey, if they let you hve it your way all the time you'd be bored!! ;^} wmc
#2154From: Wayne ColeSep 30, 1990 1:26 AM
Jamie, I came at PageStream from being a ProPage user. It was difficult to get started (as opposed to Ethan who started on it). The orientation is differnent and in some instances appears to have been complicated by a concerted effort to be different. But after working with it for a while and spending a few sessions with your nose in the docs, it goes fairly quickly. wmc
#2236From: Jamie RobertsonSep 30, 1990 11:46 PM
I called my local dealer Saturday and he has a Pagestream I can look at. I have become really use to Propage. Pagestream may be hard to use at first. I'll let you know if I get it. Thanks! Jamie
#1877From: Christopher TolmieSep 27, 1990 8:17 PM
Jamie, It looks like we're among a few amigans stumbling around with postscript. [sigh] 'tis a shame but I don't think the Amiga arena will get very strong in this area. I had another message in this thread from a developer explaining the limited market for amiga postscript utilities. Guess I'll have to learn postscript programming somehow and hack together some needed utilities with AREXX and/or CANDO, but I'm not too good at it to say the least. I ain't gonna holding my breath while I try to do it. [grin] I'll settle for a nice font to hard disk downloader/catalog list generater with a little interactive action from the postscript device being displayed to the program. Still it would be nice if people adept at postscript would upload some of their files, or examples. I picked up a book called "Understanding postscript programming and I'm trying to do just that, but it'll be a while before I have anything to show someone else. chris AT&G
#1914From: Jamie RobertsonSep 27, 1990 10:36 PM
Chris, Your idea is great. I need to learn Cando, Aexx, AV. Seems like alot of good programs could be made from those programs. Good luck and let me know how you do. Thanks! Jamie
#2039From: Christopher TolmieSep 28, 1990 10:36 PM
Jamie, I sure would like to learn the ARexx scripting language and tie it in with some other authoring program like CanDo, and/or AV too, to use with Postscript, and learn postscript programming to boot. I hope I can pull it off somehow. Do you ever think we'll see some tutorials, classes or forum help some day? Although I'd rather see good quality software that I could learn to use. chris AT&G
#2067From: Jamie RobertsonSep 29, 1990 12:32 AM
Chris, I have been kinda lost myself with Arexx. Sounds great to me, but I am not really sure how to use it. I have both AV and Cando. I like hem, but really only use them to launch other programs. I would love to get some help or ideas on how to use Arexx. The manual from my 3000 is kinda sparse on Arexx. I guess I need to try to work with it more. Who know, we may have a bunck of new stuff hit. Seems like the Amiga has taken off in the last few months or so, Talk to you later, Thanks! Jamie
#2308From: Christopher TolmieOct 1, 1990 8:57 PM
Jamie, I'd like to see what was put in the 3000 manual concerning ARexx, besides just seeing the new manual to boot! The manual that came with ARexx originally was sparse, so I can imagine if that is what was supplied to C=, then you got what I got from Mr. Hawes. chris AT&G
#2364From: Jamie RobertsonOct 2, 1990 12:27 AM
Chris, The Arexx section in the 3000 manual is pretty good. It seems like it was written for someone who has used it. I can make much of it myself, but, I don't liek to read manauls that much 🙂 I guess if I really read it, I might could get the hang of it. It is around 150 pages or so. I wish they had some examples using programs that have arexx support. I will have to work on it some. You have got me interested in it 🙂 BTW, what is AT&G? Thanks! Jamie
#2133From: Ray LewisSep 29, 1990 9:51 PM
Chris: AREXX should be duck soup at creating postscript files. It has very powerful ASCII string manipulation features. There was an issue of AmigoTimes which included a utility on disk which caused PageRender 3D to create a 3D image of a word, and then output that image as an encapsulated postscript file, if I remember correctly. It used the AREXX port on PageRender, tied in with MindWare's TASS system. ?|^] Ray Lewis
#2319From: Christopher TolmieOct 1, 1990 9:00 PM
Ray, Duck soup is hard for me to swallow! So is ARexx, I'm just not too good yet at using it for any elaborate work. I need classes, and a teacher that can supply one on one help. chris AT&G