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#Richter Scale

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#118775From: Mike MellenJan 24, 1994 11:04 PM
I saw your question and wanted to refer you to the definition for Richter magnitude I left under the topic "Richter Equation". I think it might give you a little insight. I think you are right to some extent about the TV "talking heads" but there are some other reasons for describing it the way we do. First the "Richter Scale" is a dimensionless ratio (very much like the decibel scale someone else mentioned) therefore it has no units. However, the Richter Scale has a very specific reference (see the Richter Equation message). There are also other measures of earthquakes that seismologists have used for a long time but the media doesn't grab ahold of. For instance, there is the "Modified Mercalli Scale" which is a precise way of describing the effects of an earthquake such as shaking, damage to structures, etc. Unfortunately Mercalli measures depend on the location of the observer and changes from place to place. Relating all of this to your question, since there are no units to the Richter scale and other scales exist you shouldn't just say an earthquake is a 6.6. If you want to be precise you should say it was a 6.6 of the Richter Scale.
#118791From: Richard SedlockJan 25, 1994 12:54 AM
But (sorry to repeat myself from last week), the precise term Richter scale applies strictly only to southern California; earthquakes in other parts of the world (e.g., midwest, Japan, Indonesia, even northern California) correct travel times for different seismic velocities and do NOT use the Richter scale, though they DO use a logarithmic scale that isn't too dissimilar from the Richter. Perhaps the "best" scale that has been proposed and is currently very popular in the seismology community is a logarthmic scale based on the seismic moment. These values, simply labeled M (but in bold), are independent of seismometers and depend chiefly on the size of the rupture (i.e., the area of the fault plane that broke) and to a lesser extent on the type of rock etc. When recalculated, major earthquakes of the 1900s turn out to have moment magnitudes greater than 9. I think the 1960 Chile and 1964 Alaska quakes were 9.5 and 9.2 (don't have the reference here though). This seems to be the most useful scale out there, but sometimes I despair of the media or the populace ever letting go of Richter. Though my class last semester seemed to get the hang of it. Richard
#118839From: Mark E DeardorffJan 25, 1994 1:09 PM
Hi, Richard. The seismic moment is certainly the best measure for consistency. But doesn't it only apply to surface rupture where measurements can be made? Otherwise aren't we best served by systems based on wave amplitude? Atleast, for rapid determination of location. Even the moment is doesn't relate well to structural damage in less than catastrophic quakes. Those quakes where resonance plays a role a better served by spectral measurements. Two quakes with the same moment may have significantly different results, ceteris paribus. The public gauges severity, wrongly, from what the geologists report. Look at the destruction in Asia Minor from quakes that would barely wake us from slumber. The seismic measurements have no way of incorporating structual integrity. mark
#119062From: Richard SedlockJan 27, 1994 1:18 AM
Hi Mark, yes I think you're right: for rapid location calculations, wave amplitudes are best. but for useful comparison (esp of major shocks, as you noted), moment is the way everyone is going. And I don't think there has to be a surface rupture; with a well-studied quake, e.g., intermediate depth subduction zone, the rupture area can be determined pretty precisely. Regarding intensity of damage: I think it would be very helpful to get more media play for the Mercalli scale, esp in urban areas like the southland, Bay Area, Seattle, and New Madrid seismic zone. Perhaps with luck we could even get the public to recognize the difference between the two….yes, I know I'm dreaming, but a lot of people here realize the increased risk posed by muddy soils, hillside sites, and proximity to active faults. Anyway, the semester started today. My EQ course is booked full at 40, up from 15 in its initial run last semester. Northridge should guarantee an interested class. Bye Richard
#119451From: Mark E DeardorffJan 30, 1994 12:18 PM
Well, this quake was easily a Mercalli VII at the epicenter. Is the rupture zone measured by analysis of seismic echos? I read a description of the rupture. Apparently the size is inferred from the depth and horizontal location of the hypocenter of the aftershocks. It seems that the aftershocks are assumed to occur at the periphery of a growing rupture zone. Is this correct? While the original hypocenter was 10km deep, the most recent aftershocks have been as little as 3km deep. Mark
#119028From: Doug MitchellJan 26, 1994 10:43 PM
Hi, Richard– We will get to work on weaning the American public from the Richter scale first thing after we get them to use the metric system and Celsius… 🙂 –Doug
#119063From: Richard SedlockJan 27, 1994 1:19 AM
Hmm, then I won't hold my breath!