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#Hi8 or SVHS VTR?

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#123464From: Steve V. SozaSep 12, 1994 10:33 PM
I will soon be in the market for a single frame VTR to record my animations. I am not sure what I should be looking for or even what format to get. As with most of us, my target market for my work will vary. Could a few of you that have experience in this give me some pointers? I am currently using a single 486DX2/66 but after I attend COMDEX I plan the purchase of substantial additional equipment. I also am looking into schools that gear toward production work using 3DS. Any suggestions? Is the Center for Creative Imaging in Camden Maine still around and would it be recommended? I have very basic 3DS skills and continue building daily but desire formal training that does not involve a year long pgm. I live on the Central Coast of California but would relocate about anywhere to learn this wonderful field. Any help would certainly be appreciated. Thank You in advance for the help, Steve V. Soza
#123474From: Don LandisSep 12, 1994 11:26 PM
My preference is for SVHS over Hi8 ( I have technical reasons for this) but you really should consider purchasing the PAR as this will be less initial cost than a single frame VTR and produce equal to or better quality than either SVHS or Hi8. You can then output to any vcr from consumer lowest end to betacam SP or MII in full component output. Add a TBC IV for an additional $900 and you have a complete animation recording and rotoscoping system. And the PAR allows you to do this in real time, not 3 frames per pinute as with single frame.
#123596From: Steve V. SozaSep 13, 1994 3:08 PM
Looks like I have some reading to do. I sure do thank you for the input and will do my research.
#123478From: ROBERT RITGERSep 12, 1994 11:54 PM
Single frame is quite an expense for someone getting started in this racket. Check all threads related to the PAR for a cost effective alternative which will yield high quality output. I drove through Camden, Maine two weeks ago and I heard rumors from TedB that the Center for Creative Imaging may not exist anymore. I should have tried to locate CCI but I didn't so I can't confirm any of these rumors. However, the scenery in that town makes Camden worth a coast to coast vacation visit.
#123598From: Steve V. SozaSep 13, 1994 3:18 PM
Thank you for the info re:PAR. I will research it. The rumours are right, I found out about 20 minutes ago that CCI closed it's doors two weeks ago and they are selling off all of their equipment. I contacted the person in charge of equipment about fifteen minutes ago and he said they have sold all the VTRs and Silicone Graphics machines and that they have 75 Apple II FXs w/ 20 MB RAM and 160 MB HDD. They are selling those for $1050 each. I assume there is still other equipment available. If anyone wants to contact the equipment seller his name is Brent Lerner and his cellular # is (207) 596-9843 Too bad about CCI, I had heard they were a good school, though very expensive.
#123627From: ROBERT RITGERSep 13, 1994 6:09 PM
Steve: Sorry to hear about CCI. 🙁 Good luck in your search. Bob
#123659From: Steve V. SozaSep 13, 1994 11:03 PM
I do admit, the CCI deal was a real shocker! I knew they were expensive but I also heard they were really good. I am glad if it had to happen it happened now, I had gone through their catalog and marked the courses I thought I needed. It was going to cost me $12,770 for a forty day schedule, high price but high quality training. Glad I had to wait until now to be able to go, sad for the people in the middle of a learning experience. See 'ya Bob. Steve
#123520From: Paul Sanford [LVL5]Sep 13, 1994 8:37 AM
Hi-8 will not stand up to the start/stop wear of frame-by-frame recording. The Sanyo GVR-S950 is a frame accurate S-VHS recorder/player/editor with a built in controller that works well with 3DS. Something to consider. List price around $3k. Newer model has enhanced editing capabilities. Paul NRNBAQW (No Reply Needed But Additional Questions Welcomed)
#123600From: Steve V. SozaSep 13, 1994 3:22 PM
Thank you for the input Paul. The start/stop cycling is something I never considered. As you will see in other replies to my questions I have a lot of research/reading to do. I do appreciate your help and will check into the Sanyo system. Do you know the model # of the newer model you mentioned, or is it the same #? Thanks again for the help.
#123656From: Thomas FlannerySep 13, 1994 10:16 PM
Steve, I am also located in central Ca. and have a small studio that I operate for local cable TV broadcasts and industrial video. I use BetaCam SP, SVHS and Hi8. My Hi8 is for editing purposes only. I agree with the others about the durability of the Hi8 when it comes to siingle frame work. I have the EVO9850 and it is not capable of doing single frame for more than ~30-40 frames. I use a Targa+64 for my frame buffer, and use the VLAN network for doing frame by frame. Videomedia supports a "Turbo" Targa mode that will send out frames at a greater speed than normal FxF methods. You need to consider the other requirements that surround the system other than animation. If you plan to do any "quality" recording or duplication, commercial VCR's will simply not cut it as a production deck, in either quality or durability. The PAR is an excellent choice if you have few requirements for other types of video editing/special effects. If you need A/B roll capabilities, sync rolls, edits to the frame buffer etc, you might look further into various frame buffers and deck control equipment.
#123660From: Steve V. SozaSep 13, 1994 11:08 PM
Thank you! I am so glad to be able to discuss the various equipment configurations from people who actually use it. I have TONS of brochures and all say they are the best, but experience is what matters. Thanks for the reply and for the good input. You have shed a lot of light on my problems!
#124376From: Mark StephensonSep 18, 1994 1:07 PM
It's cheaper to go with a Sony EVO 9650 as you don't need any additional VTR controller hardware or software – 3DS controlls it directly and the quality is good. Ringling School of Art – Sarasota, FL.