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#Warp Engine

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#180186From: Steve AhlstromDec 30, 1994 12:07 AM
Personally, I'd do exactly what I suggested … the Warp Engine. You get a 40 mhz '040, SCSI II, who cares about Buster (you don't need it), and no slowness due to Commodore's poor memory management on the 4000.
#180223From: SyndesisDec 30, 1994 8:00 AM
I've read that the Warp has its own memory… what speed and configuration? Am I going to be paying out for a new 16 meg? What might be a good price for a Warp? Can you recommend a dealer or other source for it? It'll work fine in a 4000/030?
#180236From: Dale LarsonDec 30, 1994 12:03 PM
Same 4MB SIMMs you use now will work fine. I think it'll also use more reas nable 16mb SIMMs and others.
#180245From: Erik FlomDec 30, 1994 12:50 PM
I've tried both the GVP G-Force, and the WarpEngine. The WarpEngine is by far the better deal. The SCSI-II is blazingly fast, the board is very well designed, and it uses any standard 72pin RAM SIMM, including the 4-4MB SIMMs on the 4000. The WarpEninge runs best with 60ns SIMMs. If the SIMMs in your 4000 are 70 or 80 ns, you'll have to set a jumper to add a wait state to memory addressing. Even with the 80ns SIMMs, I noticed nearly a tripling of my previous rendering speeds. As for dealer, and other questions…..Sorry, but I can't help there. Erik Flom
#180304From: Michael D BrennanDec 31, 1994 12:42 AM
Hi Erik. I read your article on the Nitro-VLB in the November VTU. Do you mind if I ask a few questions? We could start a new thread. Thanks, and please forgive the interuption. We now return you to your regular thread ! 🙂
#180370From: Erik FlomDec 31, 1994 2:12 PM
You can ask questions, but I only had the machine for 4-5 days to do the review. I was considering buying one, but it took them so long to release the 133MHz version that I'm not sure if I'm going to go the Nitro-VLB route. (I'll probably change my tune as my Jan production scedule fills up.) For now, I'm waiting to see what happens in the near future.
#180247From: John ChangDec 30, 1994 12:55 PM
The Macrosystems Development Warp Engine solves many performance problems found in the A4000. The Warp is a replacement CPU module. Therefore, you can buy a version that has a 28, 33 or 40 MHz 68040 processor and replace the entire '030 module. Your existing 4MB 1×32 72-Pin SIMMs can be moved from the A4000 motherboard to the Warp's four SIMM sockets. Memory is now burstable and local bussed to the CPU, providing zero-wait state performance. Note that 70ns RAM or faster would be needed with the 33 or 40 MHz version of the Warp Engine to attain zero-wait state. You can enable wait state options if you are using slower RAM, however. Another nice feature is that you can mix different 72-Pin SIMMs on the Warp. For example, you can have (3) 4MB 1×32 SIMMs and (1) 16MB 4×32 SIMM installed, thus providing you with 28MB of Fast RAM. The Warp uses the NCR (now AT&T) 53C710 TolerANT SCSI-2 chip, like the one found on the Commodore (now manufactured and marketed by DKB) A4091. Since the SCSI controller is also local bussed to the CPU, you do not have the DMA problems associated with the A4091 and older Buster-9 chip. As you may know, the Buster-9's biggest problem was a defect in handling Zorro-III compatible cards, which the A4091 is. (It should be noted that the A4091 works fine with Buster-11 and Rev 3.1 '040 modules.) The 53C710, in the Warp design (full 32-bit DMA access), can achieve up to 5MB per second in the Asynchronous mode and up to 10MB per second in the fast Synchronous mode. Overall, the 40MHz version of the Warp Engine is 1.6 to 2 times faster (using 60ns RAM) than a stock A4000/040. We have several of the Warp Engines in use at our Scala Studios division and are used in our tradeshow equipment. We have several InfoChannel installations that also use Warp Engines. They have all worked admirably and reliably for almost a year now. If I were to redesign the A4000 motherboard, I would insist on adding the Warp Engine technology. Call your favorite Amiga vendor for availability. Regards, John Chang
#180276From: James R. OllickDec 30, 1994 7:00 PM
PMFJI, I recommend MegageM as a source for the WARP. Daniel Wolf is the owner (he is here on line, 70250,626) or call him at 1-805-349-1104. Ii have purchased my Warp and other hardware/software from him. His prices and support are great. Jim R. Ollick on a Warped 4000/040/40 Using AP from Bergenfield, NJ
#180365From: SyndesisDec 31, 1994 1:49 PM
I'll stick with a local dealer, since I'm lucky enough to live within 35 minutes of Safe Harbor, the Amiga dealer and mail-order place. And besides, they're just down the road from Kopp's Custard stand, which is an ice-cream-like product with sufficiently high butterfat content to satisfy even Wisconsinites. It is insanely great stuff. I can have Safe Harbor perform the minor surgery needed to place a SCSI-2 external connector on the back, too. The only dissatisfaction I've heard about the Warp setup so far is heat problems… I'm thinking about moving all the SCSI drives to an external box to alleviate the problem.
#180388From: James R. OllickDec 31, 1994 6:16 PM
As far as heat is concerned it may have only been with the early units shipped without a fan on the '040. I have 3 hard drives and 3 expansion cards in my 4000 and have left it running over 24 hours without any thermal problems. I have replaced my power supply with a 300 watt supply from Micro R&D, it is possible that their fan is also a greater capacity one than the stock fan and that has helped keep things cool. I have also elevated my 4000 1.5 inches off the desk to allow more air to circulate under it. Jim R. Ollick on a Warped 4000/040/40 Using AP from Bergenfield, NJ
#180412From: David SantamariaJan 1, 1995 12:12 PM
>The only dissatisfaction I've heard about the Warp setup so far is heat >problems… I'm thinking about moving all the SCSI drives to an external >box to alleviate the problem. I have just replaced my (dead) A3640 CPU board with a Warp Engine (purchased from Daniel Wolf, Hi Dan! 😉 and with all Zorro slots full and 3 hard drives, it gets quite hot. So, I have done some major surgery, drilling a round hole in the metal case, aprox. 2 inches of diameter, and installing another fan there. The perfect place for the hole, is in the back of the 4000, over the covered 'Expansion' slot, just where the sticker is. Now it's much cooler, and I live a lot more confortable. The external box for drives is also a very good idea, I have installed a pair of them, one with 3 drives, including a PAR micropolis one, and it works perfectly. David Santamaria. …from Basque Country with AutoPilot.
#180277From: Steve AhlstromDec 30, 1994 7:44 PM
John, You can move the mem from your motherboard to the Warp Engine. If it's 60ns it's FAAAASSSTTTT. Otherwise, the Warp Engine will have to use a wait state to use the mem. Best bet (what I did) was to get 60ns mem when you get the Warp Engine — you can mix and match SIMM sizes all you want, so that mem will get used first then the slow motherboard mem. I have no idea what a "good price" would be … depends on how nice you are to your dealer, I guess <grin>. I could recommend a dealer (but none where you are) … or, I supposed you could call MacroSystems directly … altho their customer service isn't the best around.