#Virtual memory
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Does anyone know of a virtual memory system in the public domain that i can
get ahold of? I've downloaded the VMem package by Lee Braiden, but it requires
a program to be specificly written for it. I need one that will work with any
program.
Thank's in advance.
Stephen…AutoPilot 1.80, Mosaic1.2, Gui-FTP, Gopher, ALynx, CD-Rom
and three hard drives. All on one A500! E-Mail "savner@clubmet.metrobbs.com"
get appVm.lha from the aminet
it gives 1 program at a time access to Virtual memory
only works on 030+ cpus
It does work on os3.1
and 030 cpus
it 's also Public domain,and freely usable, but to write a different version
requires a fee i think
It's prob better then vmm 3.0 here
you can get appvm from the aminet
also vmm3.1 which doesn't need a program written for it
I have just looked on the Aminet and could not find vmm3.1 anywhere. I have an
68000 and 2.1 dos., so appvm would not work for me. Where exactly do i fine
vmm3.1, and will it work on an 68000?
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Stephen,
no virtual memory program will work for you. All of them require that you
have a 68020 chip with a 68551 MMU installed, or 68030 or beyond, which all
have the MMU as an integral part of the chip (excepting the EC series chips).
Without the MMU (Memory Management Unit) there is no way to interrupt the
processor when a particular page of memory is stored on disk instead of in
memory, so that the swap between the two can occur.
So, you need to consider upgrading to an accelerated A500, or another
machine entirely, if you are serious about using virtual memory. If you do
upgrade/replace, avoid machines with 68ECxxx CPU's like the plague. They won't
help you.
Brian
Been there…. Done that…. Better.
Brian,
Thank's for all the info. I was afraid of somthing like that. I am looking
into upgrading my CPU to an 68030 but have found nothing here in the states,
only europe. I'm not willing to pay the overseas shipping charges and their VAT
tax in Britton.
If i find a used expansion board here with an 030 or even an 020, what should
i look for? I know it will be an board to replace my 68000 chip, but is there
an certain kind for an A500? Will one made for a 2000 work?
I have many questions about compatability and the like. And i do want to
upgrade. I have found some really nice 16 and 18 channal mods that my processor
just won't play properly. As well as some programs that just won't work at all.
Thank's for any info you can give me.
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<<If i find a used expansion board here with an 030 or even an 020, what should
i look for? I know it will be an board to replace my 68000 chip, but is there
an certain kind for an A500? Will one made for a 2000 work?>>
For about $400 you can get the CSA Derringer 030/50 mhz accelerator with a
50 mhz FPU. It plugs into the 68000 slot and was designed for the A500, but
also works in the 2000 (which I have mine in.) I bought mine mail order from
DeVine Computers 1-302-738-9046. M-Tec makes an 020 for the A500 for about
$100.
If an accelerator is made for the 2000 to plug into the Processor Slot (like
the Magnum 040 or the upcoming MacroSystems 060), then no it won't work in the
A500—-cause it doesn't have a processor slot. There are plenty of things out
there to plug into the A500, though. I'm surprised you couldn't find anything
in Europe; I understand that they still make a lot of things for the 500 over
there for gamers.
Waiting for the MacroSystem's 060 accelerator to be released.
Chris Shepard: 030/50 Toaster A2000 & MacIIfx via Emplant.
Thanks for the info, but i am in the states and could not find anything here. I
did find some adds from the U.K. but i don't want to pay all the tax and
charges.
$400 is a little much for me, but maybe i can find one used from someone. Just
in case, do you have the number for M-Tec for the 020 they make. An 020 would
be better than what i have now and $100 isn't too much.
Again, thank you for your help.
I've got the 68000 blues…
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<<do you have the number for M-Tec for the 020 they make.>>
Not M-Tec, but try Software Hut at 1-800-93-AMIGA. They sell the Mtec 020
Turbo for the A500 w/ 0 ram for $99.
An A2000 060 upgrade or a new A4000T with an 060 and AGA? That's the question.
Chris Shepard: 030/50 A2000 with Toaster 4000 & MacIIfx via Emplant.
only 2000 models that work on the 500 are the csa derringers and platinums
amiga users can get the cheap o mtec 500 turbo <100>
it's a 020 with mmu i think
>I'm not willing to pay the overseas shipping charges and their VAT tax in
Britton.<
If you're a USA citizen, you don't have to pay VAT! It's only for CE citizens.
Hope this helps
Rafa <Motorola Inside> from Berlin, thanks to AP1.80
>…olive oil is the way to go.<
Now that i didn't know…Thank's.
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Bear in mind that VAT varies from 15% (Germany) to 17.5% (UK) and even 22%
(Finland). Just like in the States (7-10%?) <g>
Rafa <Motorola Inside> from Berlin, thanks to AP1.80
>…olive oil is the way to go.<
yea, If i was paying 10% sales tax i would be sreaming about it.
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>yea, If i was paying 10% sales tax i would be sreaming about it.<
Screaming doesn't help at all. B-(
Rafa <Motorola Inside> from Berlin, thanks to AP1.80
>…olive oil is the way to go.<
Stephen,
10% sales tax and you'd be screaming? come to Belgium and die of apoplexy! <g>
20.5%!!!
Pete
Stephen,
basically, the first thing you need to establish is exactly how much money
you want to spend. (I pound this point a lot!) One you have established that,
pick up a copy of Amazing and start asking questions both here and of the mail
order houses about the characteristics of the various options at that price
point. Since you probably want to spend as little cash as possible, you'll
probably want to look at one of the boards that plug into where your current
CPU is located. They tend to bypass a lot of the bus logic problems that
plague the daughterboard slot.
One thing to pay particular attention to is that if you are serious about
wanting acceleration is that the board absolutely MUST have onboard RAM. I
don't care who makes it or where it goes, without its own RAM chips clocked at
near the same speed as the CPU, you can forget any real speadup in your
computer. Onboard cache is sweet, but it lasts only for the first loop, unless
your program is by Khalid. It simply takes too long to get something from
inside the normal machine memory to make any other kind of acceleration
worthwhile.
Essentially what you want to have is to do most of the processing in the CPU
and memory on the board you install and minimize the amount of processing that
takes place off of that board. You should turn the rest of your machine into a
big I/O (Input/Output) processor, just as the "big guys" (mainframes) do.
So look at how many applications you run at a time, how much memory they
occupy, and that should determine exactly how much 32 bit memory you should
buy. And then, add half again, since we ALL overload our machines <g>.
Anything less, and you'll be dissappointed.
I hope this helps.
Brian
Been there…. Done that…. Better.
Brian,
Thanks for all the great info. Thats the first time i've had it explained to
me in such a way that i know exactly what to look for. I have little money to
spend right now so i was looking for a used one. The only magazines i can find
around here are from the U.K., and i don't like their prices much.
So, what i need is an 020 or 030 board to replace my CPU. One with it's own
RAM. And not an EC020, ect.. Now i know what to look for.
Thanks…
Stephen…AutoPilot 1.80, Mosaic1.2, Gui-FTP, Gopher, ALynx, CD-Rom
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no vmm apps work without an mmu
u need to upgrade your cou to a full 030 not ec030 to be able to use virtual
memory