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##NFNT/Suitcase

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#13233From: Jungle PayneOct 2, 1989 9:29 PM
Even when all the family-level ID numbers are harmonized (they should be right out of the box, if they are NFNT fonts) there may still be font number conflicts at the second, intra-family level (according to my sources, the primary numbers are FONDs, and the secondary numbers are the NFNTs). Font/DA Mover arbitrarily assigns these secondary numbers, and if you are using multiple suitcases, conflicts will crop up which must then be harmonized. NOTE: The second-level, intra-family numbers only affect screen display, not printing. They are used to call the proper screen font when you have chosen the plain version and apply, say, italic from the style menu or dialog check box instead of choosing the italic version from the menu. For example, the Adobe Eurostile font # is 14845. Each point size and style has a second-level number. In the case of Eurostile, 10-pt plain, mine is numbered 2936, while the 10 pt. plain + italic is 10177. So, the Eurostile Oblique font # is 14844. The 10 pt plain # is 10177, the same as for Eurostile plain + italic ~ this is intentional, and not a font conflict. This allows it to be linked when you choose Eurostile from the menu and add the italic style to it. Font display conflicts arise if there is a font in another suitcase with this same secondary number. It will show up in funny ways, as we found. For example, in PageMaker at 100% view Garamond + Bold 20 point will be displayed as specified. Switch to 50% view and it could display Belwe Bold Condensed. This is because Garamond 20 + Bold and Belwe Bold Condensed xx point have the same secondary number. In any case, harmonizing the fonts with Font Harmony will take care of this. Anytime you add a new font to a suitcase with Font/DA Mover, you must reharmonize the suitcase with any other suitcases which you want to have open at the same time.
#13271From: Tripp NarupOct 3, 1989 11:46 PM
I've been telling my customers to steer clear of harmonizing their fonts because I was under the impression it would change the font numbers and thus affect printing at a service bureau. Is the process only changing the NFNT numbers or the FONDs as well? Put another way, is it only changing the numbers used for screen display or does it affect printing?
#13287From: Nathan DicksonOct 4, 1989 11:56 AM
Font numbers from one system to the next ARE NOT SIGNIFICANT if the application using the fonts is written properly. Pagemaker, Freehand, Adobe, Quark and many programs like them (you'll need to check which ones) store fonts by FOND name, not by FOND number or by FONT or NFNT number. Therefore, numbering is merely a convenience of your system working better within itself.
#13299From: Michael DiehlOct 4, 1989 6:15 PM
I'm curious about this stuff. Can you tell me if, out there somewhere, there is a) a list of NFNT numbers for, say Adobe's family of types, and b) a utility that will allow me to "go into" the font file (suitcase?) and "install" the appropriate font ID #s? (I ask this knowing that Adobe will sell me their entire catalog of screen fonts for $75 or thereabouts, but I don't have THAT many fonts, AND I'd be happy to grovel around in the bits and bytes myself. Education, you know, if nothing else.) Even though appropriate NFNT's might be "merely a convenience," it would be for me a terrific convenience. I design documents with a goodly number of fonts in them, so run into conflicts frequently. Thanks for your help.
#13318From: Nathan DicksonOct 5, 1989 7:13 AM
The better method of accomplishing what you seek can be better obtained using Font Harmony (coupled with Suitcase II). Remember, the important thing isn't that you have such and such number for Palatino FOND and such and such number for Palatino Roman FONT or NFNT, but that all are different. Font Harmony will accomplish this.
#13329From: Stephen H. OwadesOct 5, 1989 1:43 PM
If you work with a service bureau, ask them for their screen font suitcases. That's the easiest way to ensure that you're compatible with what they're doing. And if they aren't using the PPA screen fonts, recommend that they change over to them.
#13307From: Tripp NarupOct 4, 1989 10:45 PM
Thanks for the info. I have one client's large collection of fonts on our system so as an experiment I'm going to harmonize and then examine the fonts with VariTyper's utility to see exactly what changes were made. Since 99% of our clients use one of the big four (PM,FH,Illus,Xpress) it seems harmonizing would not be the bogie I thought it was.
#13301From: Kathleen TinkelOct 4, 1989 7:37 PM
Thank you for a clear explanation of this puzzling phenomenon. Would you mind if I copied it over on the Aldus forum where there has been a discussion of font style/size conflicts? (With header intact, of course.)
#13416From: phil noguchiOct 7, 1989 9:25 PM
One should also note that MasterJuggler 1.5 will automatically resolve the second order NFNT number conflicts dynamically. That is, as long as the FONTs are properly different, the NFNT numbers are reordered in memory by MJ, and conflicts of the type you have described will not occur.