CompuServe Thread

#WorkBench 2.04

59 messages in this thread
#38371From: John VerkuylenOct 27, 1991 4:16 AM
I read one of your messages about 2.04 version coming out soon. I believe it coming out here in Australia at the end of October. That what Commodore says. They are not giving a precise date. But just getting orders in. Would the Commodore fudge factor come into this and we wait a couple more months. Interesting. G'Day from John John calling from Darwin Australia "The Top End" – via Whap!
#38400From: Betty Clay/SYSOPOct 27, 1991 11:02 AM
John, They have been saying for a long time that it would be out in October – and October is nearly gone. They have been accepting orders from our dealers for a few weeks now, and last week my dealer said her shipment was supposed to arrive on Oct. 25. I was not there to see if it actually came, but when she has a date given, she usually gets it. To be very truthful, I did not ask about the Enhancer kits. I was talking to the technician mostly, and he said their supply of chips for updating to 2.04 were due Oct. 25. They thought the kits would probably arrive at the same time. From there on, your guess is as good as mine. 🙂 Betty
#38428From: Paul MacDonaldOct 27, 1991 3:57 PM
They have'em in stock at a Colorado Springs dealer as of Friday the 25th. Cheers, Paul (WA1OMM)
#38543From: Ben A LottOct 28, 1991 8:57 PM
2.04 is here …. wait you can't have that one it's MINE… Well I would have loved to announce the arrival of 2.04 Kit for the 500/2000 here at Leigh's BUT it came and WENT in one day!!! (I got mine though!). BEN:Leigh's Computer's
#38594From: Leslie T. BartiromoOct 29, 1991 5:21 AM
Ben, Now that 2.04 is in a nice offical ROM can you tell us what does NOT work with this upgrade? We've all been waiting for 2.0 to stablize before posting any compatibility problems.
#38612From: Ben A LottOct 29, 1991 9:43 AM
I'll yell when I find something, so far everything…. OOPS I almost fogot (that was forgot, sorry, new word generator working OT) ADSpeed, system goes nuts if it is enabled by default, works fine though once you get to WB. Anything else I'll let you know. BEN:Leigh's Computer's
#38643From: Leslie T. BartiromoOct 29, 1991 6:41 PM
Thanks, Ben. I don't have many games but I'm curious as to which ones die under 2.04. There is nothing worse than finding out one of your programs, unexpectedly, doesn't work because of an upgrade. Have you tried TxEd? Does 2.04 work slower on a stock A2000 with a 68000 chip than it does on an A3000 with a 68030? Thanks again.
#38644From: Ben A LottOct 29, 1991 6:50 PM
No I don't have TxEd, and as for question #2 Of course my machine is slower than a 3000. BEN:Leigh's Computer's
#38763From: Leslie T. BartiromoOct 30, 1991 5:25 AM
I guess what I'd trying to ask (in my own jumbled way) is if 2.04 on a 68000 Amiga is slower than 1.3 on the same Amiga. Thanks.
#38815From: Jim OgilvieOct 30, 1991 3:31 PM
Leslie.. I tried 2.0 WAY back when, on a stock A2000. Some of the things I noticed immediately were that the pull down menus 'pulled down' much more quickly. Screens and windows seemed to refresh more quickly as well. This is attributed (apparently) to a complete rewrite of the layers.library, or at least some cleaning up of it. If this is the case, then there should be a more notable 'snap' to your applications under 2.04, as opposed to 1.3. Jim \ \ \ \__\__\ h a p !
#38855From: Leslie T. BartiromoOct 30, 1991 8:29 PM
That's kind of what I thought (referring to the snap in the menus.) Perhaps the 512K Kickstart has something to do with it. How does one go about installing 2.04 on a hard drive that currently has lots of 1.3 files? The "c" directory must be a nightmare.
#38874From: Ben A LottOct 30, 1991 10:46 PM
No, not at all as a matter of fact it seems a little faster. BEN:Leigh's Computer's
#38869From: Bill PerezOct 30, 1991 9:33 PM
Ben: I recall that WP 4.01 was originally one of the programs that didn't run very well with WB 2.04. Did they do any type of "fix" to run it with the new OS? I can't get it to print. The requester says "can't find printer.dev." Bill Perez San Juan, PR
#38876From: Ben A LottOct 30, 1991 10:50 PM
WP has an update available (for some time now too), call them. BEN:Leigh's Computer's
#38974From: Bill PerezOct 31, 1991 7:47 PM
Ben: I will. Thanks. Bill Perez San Juan, PR
#38783From: BILL LEACHOct 30, 1991 9:36 AM
Leslie; TxEd is pretty shaky under 2.x which is why an 'upgrade' path was provided to TurboText. -bill/ARS KB7LX
#38849From: RON TROYOct 30, 1991 8:25 PM
Bill, I haven't seen any txed problems yet; has anyone else? Ron
#38928From: BILL LEACHOct 31, 1991 7:54 AM
Ron; Not sure what the situation is with TxEd. I know that it would not run under WB2.03 very well but I have had TurboText since then and have not tried TxEd on the release version of WB. -bill/ARS KB7LX
#39128From: David KieltykaNov 2, 1991 9:45 AM
Bill, TxEd works just fine under 2.04. The row/column indicator looks a little odd if you're using a titlebar font larger than 8 points, but nothing's broken. I don't remember having any problms under 2.03 either; what sort of things were you running into? How do you like TurboText? I've been thinking about getting it, especially after discovering that Martin Taillefer is the author. I was very impressed with his work on M2Sprint. -Dave-
#39183From: RON TROYNov 2, 1991 5:14 PM
I just like txed the way I have it set up, and would prefer not to have to buy tt. Ron
#38854From: Leslie T. BartiromoOct 30, 1991 8:29 PM
Hmm… I have heard how great TurboText is but I really don't want to spring for a new text editor just yet. (My money is running short.) Perhaps I'll use a PD text editor until I can scrape up the bucks. Any suggestions?
#38929From: BILL LEACHOct 31, 1991 7:54 AM
Leslie; Many things that were broke under WB2.03 work ok with WB2.04 so your present Text Editor may work ok. I am even using WP's PE again though I don't recommend it for 2.04 operation. Its just that there are some things the PE does better than any other editor for me. Some of the various incarnations of Emacs are reasonably powerful and useful. There are people that use them even now. Be aware that different versions of Emacs are sometimes as different as night and day. Thus, if you get one that you "really can't stand," don't assume that they all operate the same way. -bill/ARS KB7LX
#38983From: Leslie T. BartiromoOct 31, 1991 8:43 PM
Now that I think of it, didn't someone say that "ed" had gone through a major change?
#38948From: Garry LingleOct 31, 1991 11:18 AM
Leslie, I like EMACS. There are several versions each with different functions. I use a version for IBM-PC at work; makes it easy not having to remember two sets of commands. Garry
#38690From: Bill ThompsonOct 29, 1991 10:06 PM
I got Mine! ..Bill 😉
#38877From: Ben A LottOct 30, 1991 10:50 PM
Congrats! BEN:Leigh's Computer's/exit
#38880From: Wayne ColeOct 30, 1991 11:11 PM
Ben, Exactly what is included in the kit? KS ROMS and Ados + Extras? Is new denise included or is that sold seperatley? does 2.04 work with old Denise? Is it still true that you will not get the higher resolutions and de-interlaced resolutions w/o Flicker Fixer/FlickerFree Video/CBM De interlacer card? wmc
#38980From: Ben A LottOct 31, 1991 8:00 PM
Rom, Manual, Four Disks (WB,Extras,Fonts. , install). New Denise is seperate and not avail(well C= parts doesn't have a part # yet *sigh*). De-interlace modes are possible with the new Denise,but only 640×480,160×480. BEN:Leigh's Computer's
#39003From: Wayne ColeNov 1, 1991 1:42 AM
Ben, Thanks for the reply. 160×480?? Is that for real?? what on earth would I use that resolution for? wmc
#39079From: Ben A LottNov 1, 1991 10:02 PM
Your guess is as good as mine on that one! BEN:Leigh's Computer's
#39098From: Harry CallesisNov 2, 1991 12:09 AM
Wayne – I believe he meant 1260×480 – the new SuperHighRes mode. Harry
#39011From: Paul ToalNov 1, 1991 4:33 AM
Ben, I've been able to get the enhancer kit, but not the needed ROM for my A2620 board (68020). My dealer doesn't know when he can get more. I asked 4 months ago, but he says just no can do 🙁 Paul –pt–not seattle– 😉
#39026From: Mark SterlingNov 1, 1991 8:31 AM
Paul, I too have had trouble getting the new ROMs for the A2620. My dealer has been told Nov/Dec availability. Maybe they will included the needed tweak for UNIX bootability. Now THAT is a wild a$# guess. ….Mark 74335,1677
#39081From: Ben A LottNov 1, 1991 10:03 PM
They (C=) don't have it yet!!!! I'm still waiting for mine, for my customers! BEN:Leigh's Computer's
#39096From: Don Curtis/SYSOPNov 2, 1991 12:04 AM
Ben, Commodore has the ROM's….CBM doesn't have them yet on their parts list. Don
#39213From: Ben A LottNov 2, 1991 8:06 PM
YES THEY DO! On our 2.04 announcement we got the part numbers for these ROMs and they are listed in the C= Parts computer as "back ordered". Typical C= a warehouse full of them and nobody knows they are there! BEN:Leigh's Computer's
#39249From: Don Curtis/SYSOPNov 3, 1991 2:32 AM
Ben, My dealer called last week…he had the part numbers (from the announcement) and the folks at CBM said they didn't have those numbers on their parts list YET. If they are now on the parts list, then they've been added in the last week. Don
#39260From: Paul ToalNov 3, 1991 5:05 AM
Gee, it's the little details that get ya 🙂 Thanks for the info. Is there anyway to work around the problem? Do I really have to keep the board physically out of the machine? Paul –pt–not seattle– 😉
#39280From: RICK STIPHOUTNov 3, 1991 9:05 AM
No, you can leave the 68020 or 68030 board in the machine; you just have to remember to ctrl-A-A on startup, and choose the 68000 cpu. My experience is that if you don't, you end up in the ?68020 monitor; while interesting, this does not allow easy access to your normal applications…. Rick – via Whap! – Rick Stiphout 🙂
#38438From: RON TROYOct 27, 1991 7:01 PM
Betty, I've been told (believe it or not) that the rom kits are being shipped already. Ron
#38663From: Christopher TolmieOct 29, 1991 8:24 PM
Ron, My local dealer has taken a deposit from me for 2.04 Rom kit. He says all dealers will get an initial 25 kits and that he suggests I get on the list quick. So I did. Now I'm wondering what it would cost elsewhere if I waited a bit longer. (I've waited about as long as I can though) The kit is $99.00 and the deposit was $25. We'll see now. This is a new dealer (to me) and I'm going to give him a chance. Chris
#38829From: RON TROYOct 30, 1991 7:37 PM
You'll also have to pay him to install the rom. On most boxes the rom is very easy to put it, but CBM insists. The real concern is when the software is installed; the script moves things like your mountlist to other places. Be very careful. Ron
#38995From: Christopher TolmieOct 31, 1991 11:09 PM
Ron, How about detailing your experience installing the ROM and software? I never trusted scripts to install things, unless I first examined them with an editor. Is it really necessary to use the script? What about the jumper on it? I have a B2000 model Amiga. I'm sure there are installation instructions, but could you explain the procedures you went through to get things working? Thanks, Chris
#39186From: RON TROYNov 2, 1991 5:14 PM
The dealer (not the customer) has an instruction sheet for the rom; most machines you just cut the jumper wire that runs across the back of the chip. But they do warn you that you'll lose the warranty on the chip installing it yourself. Ben put the chip in with me leaning over him. We then booted with the installation disk and it came up nicely, fully reckognizing my Kronos based hard card. We proceeded with the script which worked well but which IMHO does not offer much warning about the moving of files like MOUNTLIST. Once its done DO NOT REBOOT, but do a full exam of the disk to restore things that you need (in some cases from the OLD directory). Edit USER-STARTUP to put into it the things you need from your old startup-sequence. Don't put them into the new startup-sequence. Remove commands like STACK, or which refer to 'C:xxxx' or such where the command in question is now in rom; the command will fail. Ron
#39232From: Nelson IngersollNov 2, 1991 10:32 PM
Ron – In my 2.0 Upgrade kit there was a booklet titled, "Amiga Release 2 Getting Started" Was this booklet missing from your kit, or had you simply suffered momentary aphasia and forgotten how to READ? The booklet described adequately and reassuringly the behavior of copying certain files into the OLD directory. – Nelson … – via Whap!
#39286From: RON TROYNov 3, 1991 10:32 AM
It tells you that the files are copied. It doesn't say that your mountlist entries are deleted from devs:. Nor does it warn you anywhere of the consequences of that action. I'm just suggesting strongly that even the most experienced installers and techs, let alone others, need to exercise extra care, and that if I were at CBM I'd want people to know that. Outside of these concerns and compatibility concerns, I think that Commodore has done an excellent job on 2.04. Ron
#38861From: Steve Jackson GamesOct 30, 1991 9:07 PM
$99 seems about standard. Loyd
#38458From: Jonathan HirschmanOct 27, 1991 11:40 PM
Betty: They *ARRIVED* at my local dealer last thursday…price for the enhancer/rom chip is $105, installed. Jonathan Jonathan – from Albany, NY, via whap!
#38500From: John GagerOct 28, 1991 12:14 PM
Yeah!!! Their here! OK developers, no more excuses for holding back on the 2.0 versions of your software 8^) (Ben, Bill, John, etc. you know who you are). John – K7KB (via Whap!)
#38706From: Black Belt SystemsOct 29, 1991 10:48 PM
We hear you. We're 2.0'ing right now. Ben
#38555From: Betty Clay/SYSOPOct 28, 1991 9:52 PM
Jonathan, My dealer has them now, as well. Their price is $99 plus $35 installation fee. Betty
#39230From: Chris ScheersNov 2, 1991 10:26 PM
Betty, Who has the enhancer kits? Metropolitan? Do you know if they will sell it without the installation? (I'ld call them, but I'm (cheap-cheap) trying to avoid a long distance call!) Thanx, Chris
#38468From: John VerkuylenOct 28, 1991 3:12 AM
Reading further message by you all over there I see that you got it. I guess it upto Commodore Australia to bring it out shortly. I already have my order in and I am paying A$95.00 which is less than I thought. see ya. John calling from Darwin Australia "The Top End" – via Whap!
#38556From: Betty Clay/SYSOPOct 28, 1991 9:53 PM
John, Do you suppose the difference in time is because of the time required to ship them to Australia? I do hope you will have yours soon. Betty
#38766From: John VerkuylenOct 30, 1991 7:20 AM
Betty, I guess we in Down Under Land are always on last list. I know from my dealer that theyt had the Rom's in England a couple of weeks ago. I have to be patient I guess. It a big country out here. John calling from Darwin Australia "The Top End" – via Whap!
#38846From: Betty Clay/SYSOPOct 30, 1991 8:04 PM
It's a country I've always wished I could see – but SO far away! Hope your ROMs get there very quickly. Betty
#38858From: Betty Clay/SYSOPOct 30, 1991 8:36 PM
It's a country I've always wished I could see – but SO far away! Hope your ROMs get there very quickly. Betty
#38900From: Trevor LaibOct 31, 1991 1:53 AM
John- A$95.00, eh? Pardon me fer asking, but how do Aussie $ compare to US$ ? ————————————————————TL———-
#38960From: Art SteinmetzOct 31, 1991 4:05 PM
Upgrade is cheaper in Aus. A$95.00 ~= US$74.10. — Art