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#Wordworth vs FinalWriter

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#181450From: Soft-Logik Tech SupportJan 10, 1995 4:44 PM
I have uploaded WWprev.LHA, a new version of our Wordworth 3.1 Preview Package. —- Title : Wordworth 3.1 Preview Package Keywords: WORDWORTH FINAL WRITER WORD PROCESSOR COMPARE PREVIEW Wordworth 3.1 preview. Contains screenshots, ordering information, and a detailed feature list and comparison vs Final Writer release 3. Permission is given to redistribute this archive as long as it is kept intact. Cheers, Michael @ Soft-Logik Publishing
#181535From: jeff kisseloffJan 11, 1995 8:41 AM
Michael, I downloaded the file and was able to read the compare text file after unzipping, but couldn't open the others even though there are icons for them. My guess is I did something wrong. Any idea? jeff Kisseloff/70253,1344
#181540From: Soft-Logik Tech SupportJan 11, 1995 10:22 AM
The other files in the archive are IFF ILBM pictures. You must display them with a utility or load them into a paint program. NOTE: someone found another mistake in the comparison yesterday. The comparison indicates that Final Writer can import ASCII only. This is wrong. It can import ASCII, WordPerfect 4.1 (but not 5.1 like Wordworth), ProWrite and PenPal. The next version of the comparison will reflect this, and we are changing the printed version of the comparison today. Sorry for the mistake. Cheers, Michael @ Soft-Logik Publishing
#181550From: jeff kisseloffJan 11, 1995 1:06 PM
Mike, Thanks, I took a look at them with Diskmaster. I'm impressed. I have been a Wordperfect user for I don't know how many years now. I've written a few books with it and I still like the program, but without any suport I guess I feel like being on a ship out on the ocean without a lifeboat. I bought FInalwriter last year, but I was horrified at the regular on screen type. It was just unreadable to me, so I went back to Wordperfect. I can't quite tell from your preview what a typical screen of type looks like on Wordworth. Is there anything more to show. Is the type next to the tiger graphic representative of the screen? Jeff
#181605From: Soft-Logik Tech SupportJan 11, 1995 8:28 PM
The type in that screenshot is the default font in Wordworth. However, if you need really legible on-screen type, you can use standard AmigaDOS bitmapped fonts in Wordworth just like you did in WordPerfect. Most people will find the on-screen legibility of the two programs (WW and FW) very similar, except for WW's extra capability to use AmigaDOS fonts. Cheers, Michael @ Soft-Logik Publishing
#181667From: Paul IdolJan 12, 1995 3:59 AM
You're selling WW short Mike. It's onscreen legibility is often better than FiW's, at least on my system, although it is admittedly running at atypically high resolutions. Paul (aka Mr. Zombie)
#181706From: Soft-Logik Tech SupportJan 12, 1995 12:19 PM
Thanks for replying. It will mean more to others coming from you rather than from us. Cheers, Michael @ Soft-Logik Publishing
#181749From: jeff kisseloffJan 12, 1995 8:30 PM
Paul, what about at typical resolutions. Do you still find it is an improvement? jeff
#181836From: Paul IdolJan 13, 1995 6:00 PM
I can't answer that, Jeff. I spent so much time getting WW set up right with my Retina – which is, so far as I can tell, the fault of the Retina software, not of WW – that I don't want to bump it down and possibly mess things up. However, WW at 1120×832 is equal to or better than, depending on the font, FiW at 1152×900. Courier is so much better it's a joke – it's like reading it on a page. For really good onscreen readability in either program, but somewhat better in WW, use the font ShannonBook that comes with WW. The basic idea with either program, or I guess any wp, is to find a simple, clean, generally sans-serif font to use for typing in text. The more complicated the font, the more serifs it has, and variable line thicknesses and the like, the harder it is to make a clean representation on screen. Paul (aka Mr. Zombie)
#181891From: jeff kisseloffJan 14, 1995 10:15 AM
Thanks, Wordworth may be "worth" a try. I liked the way the preview looked. I guess the only sticking points are that I do just fine with Wordperfect, and I'm not sure if I want to sink any more money into my Amiga. After eight years, I may be headed toward Macworld. jeff
#181926From: Paul IdolJan 14, 1995 6:32 PM
Yah, I can see where you're coming from. I wasn't happy spending the money on WW either, but it's a good program, and hopefully with v4 it'll be a lot more useful for my more specialized needs. But unfortunately, I can't see leaving the Amiga in the near future. Thinker isn't anywhere else, so far as I know, and I have my life in Thinker. :-~ Still, if I go anywhere, I bet it'll be to a Mac rather than some MicroSloth slug. That is, if Apple still exists then. Paul (aka Mr. Zombie)
#182019From: Tom JonesJan 15, 1995 1:34 PM
Just an irritating note: > Still, if I go anywhere, I bet it'll be to a Mac rather than some > MicroSloth slug. That is, if Apple still exists then. My #2 choice also, but I expect to pay more for the same things I have now on Ami. Have you heard the rumors about Oracle maybe wanting to do an unfriendly takeover of Apple? The world is full of uncertainty. Tom alternate: jonest@hfsi.com I never met a man I didn't like…Will Rogers
#181593From: Brian BartlettJan 11, 1995 6:38 PM
Actually, your error is as old as FinalCopy II, not FinalWriter, since I've been able to import all of those formats since then. It is probably older than that, but I can't verify it since I can't find my FC I disks. The sorry part is that you continue to misrepresent the Softwoood product, and for that reason, I will never buy a Soft-Logik product. If you can't portray your competitor accurately, how can I trust you to portray your own product accurately, hmmm? The first lesson of economics is scarcity. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics.
#181610From: Soft-Logik Tech SupportJan 11, 1995 8:40 PM
I think you're being a little unfair. We provide detailed feature comparisons because potential customers want to know exactly what they are getting. Most companies won't do this. A couple of years ago, I received a copy of Quark's feature comparison vs PageMaker and Ventura. I was impressed, not because Quark came out ahead, but because they were very fair in their feature comparison. The comparison accurately showed in what regards XPress was better than PageMaker, and in what regards those programs were better than XPress. I believed their comparison more because they were honest enough not to slant the comparison in their favor. We try to do the same in our feature comparisons. (In fact, our first PageStream3 vs ProPage vs PageMaker vs XPress comparison was based directly on Quark's.) Take a look at our Wordworth vs Final Writer comparison. It shows that Final Writer is better in several areas (Undo, ARexx, style tags, master pages, bibliography, sections). We could easily have omitted a few of these from the list of features that were compared so that the remaining comparison would be more in our favor. But we didn't because we think our products can stand for themselves. It is possible to make errors in a feature comparison, and we always have our comparison proofed by users of competing programs. (For this comparison volunteers on GEnie proofed it for a week before it was posted.) But even power users of programs can miss things too. So when someone found a mistake on our comparison and we posted a correction here, you criticized us for not portraying our competitor accurately and said you'd never buy our products as a result. It seems to me that we have been very fair, and have always corrected our comparisons when errors have been found. Don't slam us for making a mistake if we own up to it and correct it. Someone found a few mistakes in our PageStream3 vs ProPage 4.1 comparison, and that was a year after Gold Disk had proofed it itself! (While we competed head to head with Gold Disk, we were on friendly terms with them and would send our feature comparisons to them to proof.) Michael @ Soft-Logik Publishing
#181650From: Brian BartlettJan 12, 1995 12:32 AM
Perhaps I am being a bit unfair, but you have missed a feature that dates back to Final Copy, not just to Final Writer. Are you telling me that not only one group has missed the import feature but every group in between as well? I think you need a new group of feature checkers. Especially ones that are willing to RTFM. "The first lesson of economics is scarcity…. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics." (T. Sowell)