CompuServe Thread

#NETWORKING ADVICE

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#62234From: John SavageOct 18, 1993 8:48 PM
Hi Pat! I think I'll just reiterate what KenF said – go with Novell (3.11 is fine) – even if you do go NT, Novell makes it better. I have used/abused Lantastic and AIX – I like Novell. As stated, 10baseT is superb, but keep to Category 5. We use isolated wiring closets with all rack mount patch panels – you can even put patch panels in the labs if needed. I buy all my patch cords – we pay $7 for a 10' cat. 5 with RJ45s or $3 for a 3' one. I use 110 punch down terminations on the harmonicas and data poles – still meets Cat. 5 but faster than other methods. Data poles – we run 6 jacks in a data/power pole so you can cluster 6 workstations at a time. We found that wall jacks are a pain. You could also run a $ubfloor $ystem. I recommend the EISA servers with a SCSI drive as well – minimum 16Mb RAM. I'm now installing my fourth network this year with another to go – it isn't all that difficult as Ken said. We are running Windows 3.1 on the local drives with program items being called from the server – flawless to date. DOS Acad is a bit trickier – you have to take care of passwords – I can email you the details if/when you need them. We are using Intel internal hubs on the servers and Intel FlashC NICs – can't recommend them enough! 3Com and others have similar h/w. The cards are self configuring – what a dream! Take care John
#62236From: Pat Vernon [ATC TM]Oct 18, 1993 9:42 PM
John and Ken F. and others who have provided answers, What is the primary advantage that Cat. 5 10baseT has over Coaxial bnc thin ethernet? I have 40 machines in two rooms and others to link on line at a later date. We are basically going in rows with short runs between machines. I have a price of 65.00 per card per machine. The server is being built as a Vesa-Eisa Machine with SCSI-2 controller with a scsi-2 compatible 1 gig drive, plus additional dual 350mb scsi drives as backup. Why the 10baseT? how much do the concentrators add to the cost. We have a 100 person cost of 4000.00 for the Novell license but that is the big stumbling block (Lack of Cash). Other questions, 1. Do you run acad resident at each station or over the net? 2. If over the net are you using a network version with multiple password authorization? 3. What is the need for wiring closets? What about access to a modem on the net for all to access? and what about use of HP jet direct cards and setup of various printers and plotters? Needless to say I have a bunch of questions. Thanks for all the help to all
#62433From: Ken FlesherOct 19, 1993 7:13 PM
No problems on the questions, bud. That's what we're here for. You've certainly helped us out once or twice, so it's time to return the favor… Not totally sure on the answer on advantages of 10BaseT vs coax except that the twisted pair stuff is real easy to run and terminate. I got a slick crimping tool that cuts the wire, measures and strips the outer jacket off, aligns the wires (4 pairs), and crimps the RJ45 connector. Takes seconds to do. Coax does have a maximum length advantage, I think, but I can't remember what it is. But you have to be more careful about running it near power cables etc. and how sharp you bend it. Theoretically, you can use existing phone lines to network via 10BaseT, but I've never tried it. The cable closet and punch down blocks are a luxury, I believe. I don't have one, all my wiring is hidden under the floor, and I hid my hubs under a return arm of one of my stations. I suppose if I was gonna do 40+ stations, I'd investigate these items. Be aware that if you lose power on the hubs, you can't communicate on the net, so put them on a UPS too, if you can. They draw almost no power. Our hubs were only about $700 to do 12 stations. On the other questions: I run all software from the server. My lab is very bulletproof, and I have a standard setup for each machine, which I can restore in a matter of seconds. The only thing I have on the local drives is the Windows INI files and the permanant swap file, and the INI and CFG files for AutoCAD. Be sure to configure AutoCAD to place it's temporary files locally, too. Yes, if you want to run AutoCAD from the server, you need to get an authorization code for the number of nodes you need. But it does seem to run quite well. Can't help you on the network access to modems. I have all my printers and plotters connected to the server directly (2 parallel and 4 serial ports!). I just took delivery of a HP LJ 4M printer yesterday, which I may get a JetDirect card for. Depends on the performance of the existing setup, via parallel from the server. Hope this is helpful. Keep us posted on progress…
#62437From: Pat Vernon [ATC TM]Oct 19, 1993 7:45 PM
Thanks for the help here. This is the year of the network aye? According to all the trade rags atleast. I spoke with a guy today who said to use coax because it is capable of carrying multimedia files since it is broadband. He explained it like this 10 base t where 10 is speed and base is base band and the t should be a number that indicates the max length. Coax is 10base2 whre 2 is for 200 meters max warranted run length. But many have it running a 100 meters. According to this guy the only advantage is in finding a break in the system and making connections, but the advantage came with video transmission. All news to me I still feel a bit unceartain on the best way to go.
#62461From: John SavageOct 19, 1993 11:35 PM
Glad to share the experience(s) – Wish I had had similar knowledge to draw on when I started – ended up doing a lot of research which did pay off. I've been taking out our old coax lines. As Ken said, the UTP cabling is easier to work with. Most of my network problems in the past stemmed from crunched BNC connections. You can combine the two cabling types using the coax as a backbone but we opted against that because of maintenance – you just don't need as many tools. We went with the wiring closet arrangement in order to isolate the power – each room has it's own power panel along with an APC SmartUPS for each server. In the past, instructors attempting to locate a breaker have dumped our servers (onto the UPS). Didn't want to take a chance. We run workstation and network modems. Typically a secretary will want a modem for file transfers to/from the board office so we put in a local modem. I use a 19200 Norcom(?) network modem which sits in the base of my telephone. Anybody on the network can access this unit if they have the authorization and my machine is on. The software is Modem Protocall out of Toronto – you can support quite a number of modems on the net as well. Hope this helps John