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M1200XA Comments

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#66348From: Joe BuckleyOct 16, 1993 9:08 PM
Redmond, Two things I'd like to ask you about: Whenever I warm boot my machine, I need to initiate it twice. The first time it resets, but hangs at the dark grey/black screen and sits like a lump. Then I need to give it the old "Vulcan Death Grip" again to get it to reboot completely. This has been very consistent. Also, have you ever received any reports that the socket for your custom logic chip is too tall? When the board is plugged in and the edge of the board is hooked on the plastic clip, the shell is forced to bow over the socket. In other words, the height of the pc board added to the height of the chip socket is greater than the distance from the inside of the clip and the inside of the shell. My 1200 has a definately pregnant look to it now. So pregnant, in fact, that the right front foot of the shell no longer rests on my desk. Not good. Performance-wise, I have not a single comment other than – "stellar!" Any thoughts? Joe – A1200 '030 50MHz '882 50MHz 6MB RAM
#66506From: R. Simonsen/MicroBoticsOct 19, 1993 12:20 AM
Joe: that's the first pregnancy report we've had! But seriously, what's the serial nr. / motherboard rev of your 1200? Maybe there's some slight mechanical difference from lot to lot. I will check this out with our techs and do some measurements. Regards, –Redmond
#66565From: Joe BuckleyOct 19, 1993 4:21 PM
Redmond, I found that using "AutoXA", instead of "ROMTag", as the seller recommended, solves the reboot problem. Much nicer. As for the machine? It is an early unit. I bought it January 15. Its serial #8510193365067001000499 (type THAT three times fast!). As a matter of fact, the MB is one of those Phillipene jobbies with the incorrect connector for the clock/Chip RAM daughter board. Face it, the socket on this board is HUGE. If there is anything that can be done, I'd love to know about it. Joe
#66597From: R. Simonsen/MicroBoticsOct 19, 1993 9:04 PM
Joe: do you have a calipers? Or a very accurate machinists ruler? If you do, measure the depth of the plastic on the socket. I'll comppare it to the standard socket we use (which is a low profile plcc socket). You are talking about the socket with the Quicklogic part in it aren't you? Yours is the first incidence of this problem –and we'e sold a lot of XA's. –Redmond
#66707From: Joe BuckleyOct 21, 1993 5:27 PM
Redmond, I'll see what I can do, but I do not think that I can find anything to measure to industry standards with. Another thought is the spacing between the motherboard and the bottom of the shell. If that spacing is less than standard, it would artificially lower the height of the 150 pin connector end of your board. I'll see what I can do. Joe
#67039From: Joe BuckleyOct 26, 1993 5:53 PM
Redmond, After looking at the socket again, it doesn't seem as big as I thought at first. The socket + pc height is still too great and the machine is still "a little pregnant". I should be getting a set of calipers in a day or two to take the measurements. Joe
#67243From: Joe BuckleyOct 28, 1993 9:14 PM
Redmond, I finally got a chance to take those measurements today. The results are probably what you'll be expecting: PCB .062" Socket+PCB .390" 'Latch' height .401" Edge connector to inside of shell .197" The whole thing is apparently caused by the artificial lowering of the edge connector to shell distance caused by my hard drive (I have a 3.5" IDE inside my 1200 and that is adding pressure to the motherboard. I'll probaby hack out the plastic latch to relieve the strain. Joe
#67277From: R. Simonsen/MicroBoticsOct 29, 1993 6:36 PM
Yeah, I'd say youre probably right: a big drive is certainly going to stress the mother board. Just leave the hatch off, why don't you? –Redmond
#67330From: Joe BuckleyOct 30, 1993 12:21 PM
When I say that it is bowing the case, I mean IT IS BOWING THE CASE. I do not have the door on at all. It never factored into the equation. As a matter of fact, I haven't put the door on since getting the board. Still, it is a really nice board. Give your tech guys a tip of the hat for me.
#67394From: R. Simonsen/MicroBoticsOct 31, 1993 4:28 PM
Will do, Joe. Thanks. Jerry Robinson is the designer of XA.
#66568From: Peter JonesOct 19, 1993 4:51 PM
The 1230XA I reviewed also bowed the trapdoor slightly. Not as much as described by Joe, but noticeable.
#66598From: R. Simonsen/MicroBoticsOct 19, 1993 9:07 PM
Eeek! An epidemic! Seriously, though: we have never seen this problem before. Could you measure the socket depth, Pete? Like with an engineer's calipers or steel rule? Thanks, –Redmond
#66604From: Dan BarransOct 19, 1993 10:46 PM
Just for another datapoint, the QuickLogic socket on my M1230XA is about 1/16 inch taller than the plastic edge connector, and it lightly touches the bottom of the A1200 when the XA is installed, but it doesn't cause the bottom or the trapdoor to bow at all. However, I did notice that the A1200's shielding had pushed the black tape back a bit in one spot and had exposed 1 trace underneath the tape closest to the edge. I straightened the shielding where it had been bent at a right angle to avoid potential problems.
#66709From: Joe BuckleyOct 21, 1993 5:31 PM
Dan, Yeah, I know about that sheilding. An M1230XA that I was about to but used turned out to have been scratched (although I couldn't detect any electrical breaks or shorts) and didn't run. I don't know if it was his machine or mine that did it, but when I got this board, I popped the shell and loosened the screws holding the sheild down, so I could bow it away from the XA during installation. Joe
#66634From: Peter JonesOct 20, 1993 3:52 PM
Redmond, Shall do, as soon as I get the 1200 back from the magazine photographer who is taking a pretty picture of it for my article.