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#strange GIF format

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#43199From: Eberhard SpittlerSep 1, 1994 12:00 PM
There is a graphic CD of a swimsuit manufacturer "Women of Venus". It is full of files #?.GIF, the cover text says it contains GIFs and catalogs of CD shops say so. None of my viewers can read the files, however, nor does GIFinfo recognize anything. All programs claim, that it is _not_ GIF. ???? Any idea? Eberhard Spittler (using AutoPilot V1.74)
#43238From: John GagerSep 3, 1994 1:25 AM
Well it could be that the GIF's might be in the GIF89a format, which can contain text, multiple images, etc. A lot of the viewers would choke on those. Also, was this CD created for the Mac or PC? If it was created for the Mac, then they might have nasty things like MacBinary headers. // John – (Being artistic via AutoPilot) \X/ Mercury@ins.infonet.net
#43264From: Eberhard SpittlerSep 4, 1994 4:59 AM
John, I am not sure, but what I saw from GIFinfo, it knows 87a and 89a – i.e. it can not read the formats, but is able to identify them and tell to the user. The CD was – according to the cover – created "for all kinds of platforms", including Mac, Amiga, PC, UNIX. I try to get hold now of various datatypes for different platforms, maybe one of the is applicable. TNX for your answer. Eberhard Spittler (using AutoPilot V1.74)
#43294From: Eberhard SpittlerSep 5, 1994 4:10 AM
John, I have uploaded a sample file into lib "graphic utilities". Every file appeared twice (same name!!!!). Amiga-DOS was not able to copy the larger (and most presumably real) one. The keywords to search are unidentified GIF; name is Venus8.GIF Eberhard Spittler (using AutoPilot V1.74)
#43310From: Steve AhlstromSep 6, 1994 1:37 AM
The file you uploaded (at 7 hundred and some odd bytes) was not a GIF file. -sja
#43313From: Eberhard SpittlerSep 6, 1994 1:10 PM
Steve, thank you for checking that; I was afraid that this would be the result. As mentioned already, all files appeared twice with exactly the same file name, the first one (unfortunately!) always being the one with 727 bytes. Thats what the viewers find. The workbench will only find 1 file for each. The shell, from which I copied, will find 2. All very strange! I wonder how _any_ operating system can cope with such a directory? Eberhard Spittler (using AutoPilot V1.74)
#43327From: John GagerSep 7, 1994 1:07 AM
Eberhard: It sounds like you are trying to read this CD as a Mac CD, that's why it's finding the 2 files in the directory. One is a resource fork, which contains the basic stuff for the Mac so it can identify the file. The other file in the directory would be the data fork, which contains the data for the file. You should be able to read the data fork, which is the actual .GIF file. Which CD-ROM driver software are you using anyway? Some of the drivers can be forced to making the CD read the files in the standard PC format without the resource forks. // John – (Being artistic via AutoPilot) \X/ Mercury@ins.infonet.net
#43334From: Eberhard SpittlerSep 7, 1994 10:58 AM
John, I do not understand, because I am using Amiga-DOS standard version 3.0. I was not aware that it can read Mac files. The CDrom file system I a using is freeware: it came with PhotowarX professional and is called AmiCDROM. Unfortunately I don`t know how to extract the version number. Does this help? Eberhard Spittler (using AutoPilot V1.74)
#43364From: John GagerSep 9, 1994 2:07 AM
"I do not understand, because I am using Amiga-DOS standard version 3.0. I was not aware that it can read Mac files." Well it's not AmigaDos that is reading your CD, but the AmiCDROM driver. The best thing for you to do is to post a copy of your Mountlist entry, or the Devs/DosDrivers entry for the CD0 (or whatever they call it) device. AmiCD has so many possible options, I won't be able to help much unless I can take a look at the mountlist entry. Specifically the line that contains: STARTUP=" Once I can take a look at that, then I might be able to advise you of some changes you can make so the CD will be properly recognized. // John – (Being artistic via AutoPilot) \X/ Mercury@ins.infonet.net
#43384From: Eberhard SpittlerSep 10, 1994 3:26 AM
John, as you suggested, here the mountlist entry (or what I believe it might be the mountlist): __________________________________________________________________________ ; $VER: startup-sequence 39.9 (9.8.92) C:SetPatch QUIET C:Version >NIL: C:AddBuffers >NIL: DF0: 15 FailAt 21 … BindDrivers C:Mount >NIL: DEVS:DOSDrivers/~(#?.info) _____________________________________________________________________ —- that was S:startup-sequence _____________________________________________________________________ ; user-startup ; ;BEGIN MapDevice MapDevice parallel.device 0 TO pit.device 0 ;END MapDevice ;BEGIN MSPatch C:MSPatch oktagon.device 0 -quiet ;END MSPatch … ___________________________ that was S:user-startup ___________________ Handler = Work:CD/CDROM-Handler Stacksize = 8000 Priority = 5 GlobVec = -1 Mount = 1 Startup = "DEVICE-oktagon.device-UNIT-0" ________________________________________________________________________ and that was SYS:Devs/DOSdrivers/CD0. Is there anything more, what might be relevant? Eberhard Spittler (using AutoPilot V1.74)
#43240From: Eulogio (DJ) GarciaSep 3, 1994 3:23 AM
No idea, but when you do get to read them, why don't you upload some? <g> DJ On AP from Queens, the rotten core of the Big Apple
#43265From: Eberhard SpittlerSep 4, 1994 4:59 AM
They are propably copyrighted, but I will try tomorrow and make a remark, if copyright is applicable. Eberhard Spittler (using AutoPilot V1.74)
#43323From: Gary Vander MeiSep 6, 1994 9:28 PM
Eberhard, Could you copy one of the directorys to a message here. This way we may be able to decipher what those files actually are. Try this; Select a directory where you are trying to get pictures, then type; DIR >Ram:dir.txt Go back to AutoPilot and write us a message. From the "Actions" menu, import the file ram:dir.txt. Edit the file if it is a bit long. Make sure to include an example of each file-type in the particular directory. (i.e. .Gif .map .txt .tiff .pict) This should help in a proper evaluation of the situation. // Gary Vander Mei on Auto-Pilot \X/
#43333From: Eberhard SpittlerSep 7, 1994 10:58 AM
Gary, according to your suggestion here follow: – the main directory of the CD, – a subdirectory with GIF files, – list result of the subdirectory: __________________________________________________________________________ MAC (dir) MUSIC (dir) PC (dir) VENUS241 (dir) VENUS242 (dir) VENUS243 (dir) VENUS244 (dir) VENUS245 (dir) VENUS321 (dir) VENUS322 (dir) VENUS323 (dir) VENUS324 (dir) VENUS325 (dir) VENUS81 (dir) VENUS82 (dir) VENUS83 (dir) VENUS84 (dir) VENUS85 (dir) VENUSADS (dir) CPSDELETEINFO. DESKTOP. DESKTOP_DB. DESKTOP_DF. README.TXT _______________________________________________________________________ CINEMA.EXE GO.BAT VENUS.SHO VENUS700.GIF VENUS700.GIF VENUS701.GIF VENUS701.GIF VENUS702.GIF VENUS702.GIF VENUS703.GIF ….. VENUS793.GIF VENUS794.GIF VENUS794.GIF VENUS795.GIF VENUS795.GIF VENUS796.GIF VENUS796.GIF VENUS797.GIF VENUS797.GIF VENUS798.GIF VENUS798.GIF VENUS799.GIF VENUS799.GIF VIDEO7.DRV _________________________________________________________________________ CINEMA.EXE 75304 —-rwed 06-Jul-90 01:25:42 GO.BAT 19 —-rwed 25-Jul-92 19:22:21 VENUS.SHO 2578 —-rwed 07-Sep-92 04:46:14 VENUS700.GIF 727 —-rwed 27-Jun-92 23:41:45 VENUS700.GIF 23658 —-rwed 27-Jun-92 23:41:45 VENUS701.GIF 727 —-rwed 13-Jul-92 23:07:43 VENUS701.GIF 36719 —-rwed 13-Jul-92 23:07:43 VENUS702.GIF 727 —-rwed 21-Sep-92 23:15:14 VENUS702.GIF 19109 —-rwed 21-Sep-92 23:15:14 VENUS703.GIF 727 —-rwed 19-Apr-92 13:00:10 VENUS703.GIF 38014 —-rwed 19-Apr-92 13:00:10 VENUS704.GIF 727 —-rwed 21-Sep-92 23:14:26 …. VENUS796.GIF 727 —-rwed 23-Sep-92 20:25:14 VENUS796.GIF 19059 —-rwed 23-Sep-92 20:25:14 VENUS797.GIF 727 —-rwed 23-Sep-92 20:24:36 VENUS797.GIF 16742 —-rwed 23-Sep-92 20:24:36 VENUS798.GIF 727 —-rwed 23-Sep-92 20:29:04 VENUS798.GIF 17362 —-rwed 23-Sep-92 20:29:04 VENUS799.GIF 727 —-rwed 23-Sep-92 20:23:56 VENUS799.GIF 17742 —-rwed 23-Sep-92 20:23:56 VIDEO7.DRV 5202 —-rwed 28-Apr-90 16:46:22 204 files – 1199 blocks used _________________________________________________________________________ I hope that especially the list reveals something about the directory structure. When I try to copy a file with the shell or with the workbench by moving its faked icon, it will _always_ copy the 727 byte version. Eberhard Spittler (using AutoPilot V1.74)
#43348From: Gary Vander MeiSep 7, 1994 10:39 PM
Eberhard, In my ASIM CDFS software, it has a prefs editor selection called "HFS Fork:". You should be able to select from "data", "resource" or maybe even "MacBinary II". If you have anything similar to this change it to "Data". Report back on what you find out… // Gary Vander Mei on Auto-Pilot \X/
#43353From: Eberhard SpittlerSep 8, 1994 12:29 PM
Gary, it seems as if I had to change my file system. I will propably do this along with an upgrade to OS 3.1. I have no documentation on AmiCDROM and I have no glue whether I can can the settings you mentioned (data, resource, HFS fork, …) and where. I have checked DOSdrives and startup scripts, but the result was negative. I`ll keep you informed in case enlightenment will come upon me. Eberhard Spittler (using AutoPilot V1.74)
#43367From: Eberhard SpittlerSep 9, 1994 5:06 AM
Gary, (2nd reply) in "Amiga-Magazin" 8/94 there was a comparisom of CD-ROM file systems: – CDx (10.8 points of 12 max), – AmiCDROM (10.0 of 12), – AsimCDFS (11.1 of 12), – BabelCDROMFS (9.1 of 12), – CacheCDFS (10.4 of 12). AsimCDROM was the only one to read MacBinary files; all the others except BabelCDROMFS can select DataFork or ResourceFork, however. So I will try to get an original release with full documentation of AmiCDROM; the add-on to PhotoworX seems to have no documention. Thanks to your help, I know at least, what I have to check in order to solve my problem. Before, this terminology was absolutely meaningless to me. Eberhard Spittler (using AutoPilot V1.74)
#43322From: Gary Vander MeiSep 6, 1994 9:27 PM
Eberhard, The only files you can use end in ".GIF". Their may be TIFF and other formats that you probably have no use for let alone ability to use. // Gary Vander Mei on Auto-Pilot \X/
#43332From: Eberhard SpittlerSep 7, 1994 10:57 AM
Gary, the file names end with ".GIF", definitely! The .TIFF I did not consider. But each file appears twice (same name!!!). The first one is always 727 bytes long. Eberhard Spittler (using AutoPilot V1.74)