#MS-DOS >>> AMIGA???
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I have started using an Amiga 2000 with Video Toaster to do real-time video
editing and production of services at my church. I have used MS-DOS computers
forever but am new to Amiga. What I would like to be able to do is transfer
clipart (GIF files, or PCX, TIFF, PS, whatever…) from PC to Amiga.
Is this possible, and if so, what is the cheapest, easiest method? I can do
everything with MS-DOS machines, but I am not real comfortable with AmigaDOS
(WorkBench?). I can get into Video Toaster and do whatever I want, and I did
figure out how to format a floppy, but that is about it.
I am open to whatever solution makes most sense. Serial connection? Modem? Disk
compatibilization? (IS THAT A WORD?)
Thanks for any help y'all can give me.
J.R. Pitts
J.R.
There are several means of transfering files from one system to the other.
1.) Transfer by means of floppy-disks
If your Amiga is equipped with Kickstart equal or bigger than 2.1 (you can
find it out by simply pulling down the Workbench menu -> About. If the version
numbers shown are something like 37.xx or bigger for Kickstart and 38.xx or
bigger for Workbench, ererything is "built in". You should then have a soft-
ware called "CrossDos".
In your workbench-partition (I suggest you have a harddisk, if not, everything
described will be on the system disks) there is a drawer called "storage".
There should be another drawer called "dos-drivers".
Inside this drawer, there should be a icon called PC0. This represents the
internal drive DF0. If you double-click this icon, another dos-device will be
mounted, a divice able to read and write standard MSDOS-floppies. This can
be done by Shell (e.g. "Copy PIC.PCX to PC0:") or Workbench.
Notice that with most Amiga models, you only can use DD (720 KB) disks. Only
some of the A3000s and all the A4000s are able to use HD-disks as well. If you
want to be able to mount this device "automatically", you only have to drag the
PC0-icon from the storage/dos-drivers drawer to the devs/dos-drivers drawer.
From now on, you will be able to use your internal floppy as described above.
If you do not have 2.1 there are three ways of using floppy disks:
1.1.) Upgrade your Amiga to at least 2.1
1.2.) Buy CrossDos (works under 1.3 as well)
1.3.) Use MSH instead. MSH is public domain software, doing the same job as
CrossDos, but it's free of cause. (I don't know if it's included in the
libraries)
2.) Transfer by means of nullmodem cable
Use a nullmodem cable connected to the serial ports of both computers.
Again, there are several ways to transfer files.
2.1.) Use terminal programs on both computers. Maybe you have such programs
already installed. If no, "Telix" is a very good shareware program for the PC.
May-
be the best terminal program currently available (not only systemwide – and I
know
quite a lot of systems and terminal programs), is (of cause) a Amiga program
called
Term (It's giftware, the current version is 4.1). It's in one of the libraries.
2.2.) A program designed for your needs: TWIN Express. It has to be started on
both computers (In the package there are versions for the PC as well as for the
Amiga). It understands the most commonly used commands like "COPY", "DIR"
etc. This is maybe (if you do not have Kickstart/Workbench 2.1 or >) the
cheapest
means of transfering files. The share is not very big and a nullmodem cable
isn't
very expensive, too. Its available in one of the libraries.
Now we come to the more sophisticated topics:
3.) SCSI-Net
If you do have SCSI-hostadapters on both computers, you can connect the two
SCSI-Systems with a cable. After removing the terminating resistors, the SCSI-
bus covers both systems. A MSDOS-formatted harddisk can now be used by
the Amiga as well. Of cause, you have to use software like CrossDos again.
Without it, your Amiga would not be able to read or write data. If you are
really
interested in this variant, I would have to give you a much more detailed des-
cription of how to manage it. (BTW: Its the kind of thing I currently use!)
4.) Parallel network
In the public domain, there is a thing called ParNET. It was originally
designed
to connect several Amigas (and Unix machines as well) using the parallel ports
and a special cable. As far as I know, there should be a PC-version as well.
I have never tried that and if you are interested you should keep in mind, that
without special adapter cards you would loose your printer ports. (you could
of cause use switch-boxes).
5.) TCP/IP
You could set up a TCP/IP-network running above the serial ports, the parallel
ports or (the most sophisticated way) special network cards (ArcNet, Ethernet).
I have tried that, too. If you are interested, I can give you detailed
information
about it (This would maybe go a bit to far…<g>)
If you want to do it in one of the descibed ways but are unfamiliar with what
to do
in detail, just write…
I hope this will help you, Gerhard …
Well I don't know about J.R. but But the Cross Dos setup I am currently using
successfully. I have Cross Dos If J.R. wants it since I also now have WB 2.1
and dont need it any more. However your networking solution is what I'm looking
for, I thank you for that info, if I have questions I'll let you know. If J.R.
is doing, or planning todo long sessions exchanging data between PC and Amiga
the disk swapping with cross Dos can get to be a pain. Null modem would be
helpful but if the PC is not at least a 386 as mine is not, the lack of
multitasking can be a pain on th PC side. However since I have no experience
with networking, lack of multi tasking may also be a problem on the PC side.
But your info definately opens possibilities for me.
Gerhard and Darron:
Thanks for ALL the info, with such detailed information, how could I go wrong?
I will try out CrossDOS (I think I remember seeing that icon!) sometime this
weekend.
Thanks again,
J.R. Pitts
J.R.
Feel free to jump in with more questions — getting help on new stuff is,
in my view, the best thing about Compuserve.
Darron
J.R.,
If your A2000 has at least version 2.0 or better of AmigaDOS (and if it
doesn't, you should get it, for a whole variety of good reasons!) it has
included software called Cross-Dos which will allow you to read, write,
and format MS-DOS disks on the Amiga.
Assuming you have at least 2.0 of AmigaDOS, look in the drawer (directory)
on the boot disk called Storage. There should be in it another directory
called DOSDrivers. In DosDrivers there is a file called PC0: Move that
file to the DosDrivers directory in the Devs directory on your boot disk.
Reboot. When you insert an MS-DOS disk (low density only unless you've
picked up something better than the standard Amiga floppy drive) it will
show up as PC0: on the workbench and can be addressed as such from a shell
window. You can do anything with the MS-DOS disk that you could with an
Amiga disk (all AmigaDOS commands work) except you're still bound by the
8.3 naming convention (after all, it _is_ MS-DOS 😉
Hope this helps.
Darron
Oh, something else I forgot to mention. In using Cross Dos and the limitation
of 740k disks, DKB has the HiDensity drive for about $160 or $150 internal. I
found that it helps a lot.
Rick, I think you intended this message for the person I was responding to. I
agree wholeheartedly with your point, however; the HiDensity drive which DKB
distributes in the US is a great accessory given the near universal use of high
density drives in the MS-DOS world.
Darron
> CrossDos and Workbench 2.0
CrossDos was part of WB 2.1 and not included in WB 2.0
Your WB version has to be at least 38.35
cu Jimmy
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Oops…guess my memory is failing me…I stand corrected and hope that I don't
cause a flurry of messages to the effect of "I have WB 2.0x; where's my
Cross-Dos!?!?"
Darron