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#US Amiga Distributor

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#214891From: henry tellerOct 10, 1995 4:52 PM
Marion, For the notices and posts I've read, there were never any plans for US distribution of A1200's and, therefore, no plans to make an NTSC A1200. Tom Nicely was planning on importing them when they become available and modifying them for the NTSC market. There are announced plans for the A4000T, which are being made in the US to begin with. Since Stan hasn't reposted his notes on his trip to Germany, I load them up here today. Hank Videology, Inc Where you always get P.O.M.P. and Service under all circumstances
#215013From: Rafael VicariaOct 11, 1995 2:19 PM
> no plans to make an NTSC A1200.< Why do you keep saying that? A1200 are both PAL/NTSC. Only the power supply and the keyboard are different! Rafa <Motorola Inside> from Berlin, thanks to AP1.80 >…olive oil is the way to go.<
#215037From: Paul IdolOct 11, 1995 7:00 PM
>>Only the power supply and the keyboard are different!<< What, you never heard of an NTSC power supply? You get the actual power on a subcarrier, and anything you run off it sucks! <G> Mr. Zombie
#215109From: John ChangOct 12, 1995 2:54 PM
Rafa, >>Why do you keep saying that? A1200 are both PAL/NTSC. Only the power supply and the keyboard are different!<< Well, for the most part, yes. However, the composite output modulator will have to be modified or replaced and an NTSC clock crystal will have to be changed out for the PAL part, if you intend to use it with a genlock. Regards, John Chang
#215192From: Phillip WoollerOct 13, 1995 6:10 AM
Only the composite and rf modulators would have to be replaced, I wouldn't have thought any other clocks would have to be changed as they come from alice ( alice, who the f*** is alice?, sorry it's a song in the charts at the moment ). It's a pity that they didn't build the pal/ntsc colour encoding into the same modulator otherwise it would be easy. Of course the power supplies and keyboards are different. However I would have thought that if someone said they wanted 10000 ntsc amigas that escom would say YES very loudly. Maybe they could try building them quicker 🙂 Phill
#215217From: Rafael VicariaOct 13, 1995 10:45 AM
John Thank you very much for your constructive and informative correction. I think that I can see the NTSC/PAL/SECAM? picture more clear now. B-) Rafa <Motorola Inside> from Berlin, thanks to AP1.80 >…olive oil is the way to go.<
#215047From: John DraperOct 11, 1995 7:08 PM
Hank, <For the notices and posts I've read, there were never any plans for US distribution of A1200's and, therefore, no plans to make an NTSC A1200. Tom Nicely was planning on importing them when they become available and modifying them for the NTSC market.> Actually both Dr. Kittel and Gilles Bourdin said that there would be up to 15,000 A1200's shipped to North America. Hopefully that information is in the archive I keep trying to send you. (BTW, if it doesn't work next time I try sending it, I'll just start sending it as text. It'll take longer for me that way, but I'm sure you'll get it). Anyway, the gentleman you talked to is Tom Lively of Lively computers, not Nicely (though he is nice)…:) Asha @}–,–`–
#215060From: Ian J. EinmanOct 11, 1995 8:03 PM
>>no plans to make an NTSC A1200. What is an NTSC 1200? Never heard of one. All 1200's are NTSC/PAL capable, as is the 4000 and the 600 and the 3000. So I don't blame them if they wont make an NTSC-specific version, why remove the PAL??? Of course whoever keeps saying this probably is referring to the different power supply, of which there are plenty of North American power supplies usable with the 1200 available. There is no problem with getting one, or packing one in the box. And is anyone certain that the 1200 PS Escom is using is not 120/230V switchable? Even my electric razor can do that. And the keyboard thing… Sorry but the 1200 my roommate purchased in Ferndale, WA (USA) has the extra keys found on European keyboards. CBM did not make the same US keyboard like the 3000 keyboard (with the longer shift keys, bigger return etc) ever. So this "no NTSC 1200" thing is basically meaningless, and why do people keep pointing it out? There is literally NO SUCH THING.
#215074From: SysproOct 11, 1995 11:23 PM
I can't stand the misinformation any more! There is also a clock crystal on the motherboard that generates the color burst signal. This has to be a different frequency for NTSC or PAL. I think that makes four NTSC/PAL differences: 1. Power supply 2. Keyboard 3. Motherboard jumper for default boot mode (NTSC/PAL) 4. Colorburst crystal I believe the crystal is soldered in place (never seen the insides of a 1200 – yet). Greg
#215135From: Jim SteeleOct 12, 1995 5:54 PM
After looking over the manual, I see a few more differences. . The main clock crystal is different. . The RF modulator is different. (different part #'s for ntsc vs pal- but the encoder is the same) . There is extra circuitry for the pal machines. (It appears to me that the PAL machines generate their color clock with a separate crystal. There are surface mount jumpers to enable one or the other. There isn't an NTSC color burst crystal. . I can't find any motherboard jumper to set the default boot mode. The custom chips must automagically detect the correct mode. None of that except the power supply will keep you from running a PAL 1200 in ntsc-land, providing you're using the RGB display. As you say, composite / RF is another story. I suspect that an external genlock or encoder *would* work though, if you set the monitor prefs to NTSC. -Jim MOS via Autopilot & Amiga
#215194From: Phillip WoollerOct 13, 1995 6:15 AM
What main clock crystal? Don't all clocks get generated by alice? That was what I thought anyway ( the processor and video clocks definately are, others might come from the power supply which is also going to change anyway ). The only clocks that might need changing are built into the modulators aren't they? I would guess that the amiga could guess the correct screen mode from the power supply, but I reckon that it is probably jumpered. Phill
#215150From: John DraperOct 12, 1995 8:04 PM
Ian, <>>no plans to make an NTSC A1200. What is an NTSC 1200? Never heard of one.> That upper quote was from the message I was quoting from, not my statement…:) <So I don't blame them if they wont make an NTSC-specific version, why remove the PAL???> I don't, and wouldn't want them to remove PAL. I think that someone else is a bit confused here, but it isn't me. As far as I know, the only difference between the A1200's that ship to the UK and Europe, and the ones that ship here is the electrical setup, and maybe the machines are set to boot up in PAL. Also, from what I've heard, it's not difficult to change the power issue, and setting it to NTST shouldn't be hard either. < And is anyone certain that the 1200 PS Escom is using is not 120/230V switchable? Even my electric razor can do that.> There are VCRs that will do that too. I don't know whether AT is doing that but it would be a really great idea if it isn't too expensive/time consuming to do at this point. <So this "no NTSC 1200" thing is basically meaningless, and why do people keep pointing it out? There is literally NO SUCH THING.> I dunno….:) Asha @}–,–`–
#215195From: Phillip WoollerOct 13, 1995 6:17 AM
The modulators are different, so as long as you plug an rgb monitor and not a composite or tv in then you are ok. Phill
#215193From: Phillip WoollerOct 13, 1995 6:11 AM
The ntsc 1200 did exist, check your manual, there were different composite/rf outputs on the back. Completely different from the pal versions. Phill
#215724From: henry tellerOct 18, 1995 5:20 PM
Asha, When I talked to Tom Lively (oops), he was planning on getting the A1200's and having to modify them for NTSC and US power. It was his feeling that any he received would be from European distributors and they would require some modifications and wondered how many I would like. BTW, could you post his phone number again, as I want to place an order. Hank Videology, Inc Where you always get P.O.M.P. and Service under all circumstances
#215978From: John DraperOct 20, 1995 6:21 PM
Hank, <It was his feeling that any he received would be from European distributors and they would require some modifications and wondered how many I would like. BTW, could you post his phone number again, as I want to place an order.> Sure, it's: Tom Lively The Lively Computer La Mesa, CA. 619-589-9455 Tell him "hi" from me! 🙂 Asha @}–,–`–