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#A2000A/A2000B

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#214947From: Tom JonesOct 10, 1995 9:40 PM
Phillip re: "skeptical of the germany cbm r&d people" I am using a 2000B purchased in Wertkauf 8 years ago ( I think ) and I have to say it has never let me down through thick and thin, upgrades and third party addons, still ticking away as a full time BBS 24 hours a day. They didn't do all that shabby a job. I did change the agnes chip to make it NTSC and rejumpered the powersupply for 115vac when I returned here, by the way. Nothing else. Tom alternate: jonest@amigat.com I never met a man I didn't like…Will Rogers
#214957From: Ian J. EinmanOct 10, 1995 10:44 PM
re: "skeptical of the germany cbm r&d people" I second that… the people in Germany are very bright and on top of it, every thing I have heard from Peter Kittel & co. is no less knowledgeable than any of the folks over here. The Germans just never got as much of a chance to design their own things. And there isn't really anything bad about a B2000 I'm aware of anyway. It is far less flawed than the regular 4000, which has some problems, and even the 3000 has a few.
#214979From: Phillip WoollerOct 11, 1995 5:43 AM
No, the us designed ( or fixed ) the 2000b, the 2000a was the german one which had some severe problems. The 2000a was pulled quickly after launch. From what I remember the 2000a looked more like an a1000 than the b2000. Phill
#214988From: Jeff WalkerOct 11, 1995 7:59 AM
And from what I remember the original Amiga 2000 looked just like the eventual Amiga 2000B. The only way to tell the difference between a 2000 and a 2000B (apart from looking at the motherboard) was to look round the back at a sticker. Jeff Walker, JAM magazine jwalker@cix.compulink.co.uk
#215016From: Peter JonesOct 11, 1995 3:22 PM
>And from what I remember the original Amiga 2000 looked just like the eventual Amiga 2000B. The only way to tell the difference between a 2000 and a 2000B (apart from looking at the motherboard) was to look round the back at a sticker.< Jeff, There was a small modification to the casing. At the back, between the Disk drive and the serial interfaces, were just two phono plugs for left and right audio. The 2000B had a video phono plug between these two. I remember cos I had to get out the hacksaw when I swapped my A motherboard for a B one! I still have the A motherboard. Pete
#215072From: Jeff WalkerOct 11, 1995 10:37 PM
Ah yes! That was it. I knew there was something slightly different round the back, couldn't remember exactly what. Jeff Walker, JAM magazine jwalker@cix.compulink.co.uk
#215007From: Werner KazmierzakOct 11, 1995 12:54 PM
Phillip, >> From what I remember the 2000a looked more like an a1000 than the b2000 the A2000-A has the same casing as all the later A2000-B and A2000-C had. The difference is in the number of layers the motherboard is build. And the internal Video Slot had fewer connectors so you could not put in a flicker fixer without some additional wiring. I still do own an old A2000-A, equipped with a A2090 harddrive controller with a 20MB MFM drive. I use it for software compatibilty tests, and as a terminal for Enforcer/Mungwall/RomWack. It still runs without a flaw. So what are the bugs of the A2000-A that had to be `fixed'? – wkc – … via AP from Hamburg, Germany
#215017From: Peter JonesOct 11, 1995 3:22 PM
Werner, My early A2000 had 512k Ram on the motherboard, and 512k on a separate card which fitted into the CPU upgrade slot. Does yours? Pete
#215075From: Werner KazmierzakOct 11, 1995 11:34 PM
Peter, >> My early A2000 had 512k Ram on the motherboard, and 512k on a separate >> card which fitted into the CPU upgrade slot. Does yours? yes, exactly. I heard that the small memory card populating the accelerator slot could be upgraded to 1M giving you a total of 1.5 MB, but I never tried to do so. – wkc – … via AP from Hamburg, Germany
#215094From: Phillip WoollerOct 12, 1995 12:24 PM
That was one of the things that wasn't supposed to work, apparently if you tried to upgrade the memory on the built in card then it became very unstable. There is also problems with accelerators I believe. It was a long time since I read about it, I just remember jay miner saying in an interview that the last thing he did working for cbm before they kicked the original team out was to fix the german designed amiga 2000. Whether they fixed it before sale or after I don't know, I just read that there were problems with the 2000a. I guess if it works then it is ok. According to the kickstart 3.1 release notes there are spurious nmi's generated on a500's and a2000's, as the nmi handler does nothing then they don't cause a problem. Maybe the other problems ( can't remember for the life of me what they were ) only showed up under certain circumstances. Apparently the early 2000a's had reset warning on the keyboards but the later ones didn't ( that is according to cbm documentation ) whether this is also true I don't know Phill
#215187From: Werner KazmierzakOct 13, 1995 4:54 AM
Phillip, >> There is also problems with accelerators I believe yes, if you wanted to put an A2620 or A2630 board into the A2000-A, you had to remove the original 68000 CPU and set some jumper on the accellerator board. I don't know if non-C= accellerators supported the A2000-A. – wkc – … via AP from Hamburg, Germany
#215191From: Phillip WoollerOct 13, 1995 6:04 AM
I know some of them definately didn't support the 2000a as you couldn't disable the processor ( I guess that is why you had to remove it ), unfortunately there was some clock that was generated by the processor which is probably why you need to jumper it. Phill
#215099From: Peter JonesOct 12, 1995 12:48 PM
>yes, exactly. I heard that the small memory card populating the accelerator slot could be upgraded to 1M giving you a total of 1.5 MB, but I never tried to do so.< Werner, I was advised against it by friends at Commodore Belgium. Can't remember why, though. Pete