CompuServe Thread

#Continued.. some ideas

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#94341From: Steve AhlstromNov 20, 1987 1:18 AM
"Borrowing" is not a crime — stealing is. About the best analogy to software is books. You can borrow a friends' reference book, read it, and return it. No injured party. If you photo-copy it then it's theft. Now, in most cases, buying the book is gonna be a whole lot cheaper than taking the borrow copy and to a print shop. Something I'm not too clear on about piracy is, someone (normally) has to buy a copy of the program to get it in the first place. If I laid out X amount of dollars for something why should I give it to someone else for free?
#94345From: Ben BlishNov 20, 1987 1:21 AM
it is normally a friend -> friend transfer that never ends… with the exception of those ego-damaged individuals who are making points with potential friends and aquaintainces by providing something of value, albeit stolen. –Ben–
#94349From: Steve AhlstromNov 20, 1987 1:44 AM
I understand how — just not the why. If I popped $499 (that IS the price, right?) for PCLO+, I'm sure as hell not going to give it to a friend. He can buy his own.
#94353From: John DraperNov 20, 1987 2:29 AM
Steve, While you think that way, what often happens is that a group will split the price and share it. One or more of them will pass it out, with or without being paid for it, and so it goes… the small leak becomes a torrent as the program gets farther away from the original owner. Other groups will sometimes have an arrangement wherein each member contributes a piece of software, more or less depending on the ability of the member to 'crack'. If a member is good at cracking, he will not be expected to contribute in other, more costly ways. The member who does not crack, will buy an expensive piece in exchange for the cracker's contribution on a lot of other packages. Think about it… one person buys a $500 package, and in return ends up with that $500 package, as well as thousands of dollars worth of games, business stuff, utilities, educational, and recreational software. You may have guessed that I was a member of such a group, a fact I am not now proud of. Interestingly enough, I did actually buy anything that I ended up using. Having seen the good sales of Amiga software in the early days, before the pirates started getting into the act, and having come into contact with a lot of talented people who deserve to be rewarded heavily for their efforts, I now only buy unprotected software. Seeing the damage piracy can do only serves to take the edge off the challenge and monetary savings. I only wish more people could see that. Regards, Larry.
#94406From: Douglas MartinNov 20, 1987 6:08 PM
Another way of getting the initial purchase if it's commercial software (as opposed to games) is having not overly ethical people pass out copies of software that they've had their place of employment buy! What is expensive for an individual to buy with personal money may be, relatively speaking, peanuts for a large organization such as a university to buy. All it takes is one unethical person with access to corporate buying resources to start the ball rolling.
#94361From: Ben BlishNov 20, 1987 5:24 AM
You'd think so, wouldn't you? Especially if you were a corporation… But there it is. Some of us are truly desperate for approval, a sad commentary on a number of issues at once. –Ben–
#94405From: Douglas MartinNov 20, 1987 6:02 PM
A nit-picking point (I LOVE nit-picking): Photocopying a book or copying software isn't theft; it's breach of copyright. I'm not condoning it, just getting definitions straight. Your question is easy to answer: "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you". Presumably if someone gives away copies of stuff that they've bought, they hope that the gesture will be reciprocated. There's also the "pride" aspect of being able to say "*I* broke XYZ's copy protection, so there!".
#94730From: Steve AhlstromNov 22, 1987 3:19 PM
Please see Don Curtis' msg on the subject (94458). Photocopying a book or the unauthorized duplication of software is theft of intellectual property. Theft, whether that of a physical object or of intellectual property, is still theft.