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#M2 Prging Book

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#2904From: David MartinOct 31, 1990 11:24 PM
A new Amiga Modula 2 programming book has been announced by the makers of Benchmark M2. Its priced at $59.95 runs 300 pages and includes a disk. This PRICE is WAY to HIGH for a 300 page book. Books in its class usually run about $20-$30 w/ disk. Watch out for news of a competitive product in a store/magazine near you.
#2906From: Black Belt SystemsOct 31, 1990 11:33 PM
If the book is well-written (I have *no* idean, btw) then it is worth every penny. Assuming you want to work with Modula, of course. ;^) On the other hand, it does open the market for competition. I look forward to seeing either a 300 page book for 20$ of equal quality, or a 900 page book for the same price, written by your or your comrade(s). BBS->Williams.Ben[AA7AS]
#2927From: Betty Clay/SYSOPNov 1, 1990 2:11 PM
Perhaps you should tell us about the competitive book, David. Who is printing it, and when shall we expect it? Know the name of the author? Betty
#2998From: Avant-Garde SoftwareNov 2, 1990 8:51 PM
David: Thank you very much for your announcement of the Modula-2 book my company is publishing. However, let me clarify a few of the statements made in your message. 1) Books are not priced based on the number of pages in the book. I think most people know that the price of a book is not determined by the amount of paper required to print the book. (I belive, you work in a book store, you show know this, right?) 2) Consider the relatively small market for this type of book, the price I chose was is very reasonable. Based, on the initial response from my customers, I would say the price has not been an obstacle. 3) You mention another Modula-2 book which is currently not available. Is this book written by you and if so shouldn't you have mentioned that in your message? If I am wrong on this account, then you can disregard this last item. >> Leon Frenkel <<
#3008From: Black Belt SystemsNov 2, 1990 9:33 PM
You tell him, Leon. :^)))) Disclaimer: I hate M2. I'm a C person. I don't know Leon well. I just found the idea of a book being priced by # of trees killed rather peculiar… personally, I buy for content… exactly why this fellow claimed #pages is a function of price or v-v I have no idea. :^) BBS->Williams.Ben[AA7AS]
#3077From: Wayne ColeNov 4, 1990 2:16 AM
Oh, no – C snobbery!! :^} What is it about this one letter language that causes its users this maniacal fanaticism to institute PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE JIHAD (read caps with lots of echo :^} )? I mean they had to plus it twice to give a face lift that allowed them to call it a modern language!! Sheesh – such love for a language that came from the same neighborhood as FORTRAN!!! The way all you's C'spurts (as in experts) attack other languages one must be suspicious that perhaps the language is in grave danger!! Now, on the serious side, about the only M2 references required are "Modula-2 A Complete Guide" by B.N. King from Heath publishing at bout $21 and "Programming in Modula-2" by N.Wirth from Springer-Verlag. The other thing is that anyone who programs in Pascal can transition to M2 in about 30 minutes. Anyone who programs in C (only, as is usually the case with C programmers – very narrow bunch ;^} ) could transition in a day or so. The prime difference is the tight typing, unambiguous notation and simplicity (abeit verboseness) of M2 I/O. As for the price of Mr. L. F.'s book, Just say a good textbook on a programming language runs about 25 – 35 so the disk must cost 35 – 25! Base on content of the disks, that may or may not be fair – individual buyers will have to decide for themselves. Of course, since Leon failed to notify the less than 300 M2Sprint owners for whom he refuses to reognize his responibility since sneaking up on and overpowering his one-time competion, there are less than or equal to 299 more potential customers to defray the per-unit costs. But thats another story…(sorry, Leon, I didn't die yet…) BTW, the King book has an excellent bibliography and list of suppliers. It is a good book for someone just starting in M2. The other book is a good desk refernece for someone who is moderately experienced with M2 or Pascal. wmc
#3094From: Steve PietrowiczNov 4, 1990 11:51 AM
I've always thought the M2 folks were fanatical. The people I've had "discussions" with about the language don't seem to realize that each language has it's own strengths. I had a Modula-2 compiler once, but after messing with it for a few weeks I could see no advantage to switching to it, and I'm not interested in hearing why I'm "wrong" (especially when, for what I do, I'm not). 🙂 Steve