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#Adobe PostScript

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#6540From: J.R. BOOKWALTERNov 19, 1990 2:12 AM
I'm thinking of purchasing Adobe's PostScript cartridge for the HP LaserJet II. I have a IIP to be exact, and am interested in printing from the following sources: ProWrite 3.0 Professional Page Professional Draw A2088 IBM Bridgeboard as well as any others I can get away with. Does anyone out there have this cart, and can you give me some info on how you find it to use? Also, I have 1.5 megs in my IIP, the box seemed to indicate that was enough… true or false? Finally, the price I am quoted is $350, which sounds pretty reasonable. But it's from a Mac dealer, and they don't seem to know much regarding iinterfacing it with the Amiga. J.R.
#6555From: RON TROYNov 19, 1990 11:14 AM
You probably need 2.5 meg in the IIP; I know that the Pac Data PS emulation cartridge does need 2.5 meg. To use postscript with prowrite you also need ProScript. To use PS with software on the bb you need software that supports ps, and some does. Ron
#6557From: J.R. BOOKWALTERNov 19, 1990 1:03 PM
Ron, Yeah, I knew that Pac Page needed that much memory, but apparently this one does not (or so it would seem). I already have ProScript and never have gotten a chance to use it, but….ProWrite 3.0 and above have PostScript printing built-in to its print menus, that's why I was asking about that. J.R.
#6578From: RON TROYNov 19, 1990 6:24 PM
You still need to buy ProScript for those menu items to work, and note that the version of ProScript does not fully support the current version of ProWrite. Ron
#6615From: J.R. BOOKWALTERNov 19, 1990 11:05 PM
Wonderful. This is getting expensive… J.R.
#6639From: RON TROYNov 20, 1990 6:24 AM
Yep; my IIP ready to go for PS printing was, last spring, about $1800. That should be down to about $1600 or so by now. Ron
#6661From: J.R. BOOKWALTERNov 20, 1990 1:24 PM
You are referring to actually buying the PRINTER, the CARTRIDGE and necessary MEMORY with that figure, yes? I already have the PRINTER and 1.5 meg of MEMORY, so I should be looking at less…. J.R.
#6693From: RON TROYNov 20, 1990 10:22 PM
Yes, I had all at that price. Ram is dirt cheap and you should have a 2 meg card installed, minimum. The lower paper cassette now comes free which saves a chunk, and the toner had better be included. Ron
#6731From: Wayne ColeNov 21, 1990 2:33 AM
JR, Pickup the PostScript driver from the forum here and install it as anyother preferences printer driver would be installed. Then all the packages that do not supply their own PS driver (a la PageStream) will output properly to the printer. Let me know how the cartridge works out, cause I'm trying to decide Pacific vs Adobe myself. This Weeks PC magazine has a little blurb on both and each seems to have advantages in areas the other does not. wmc
#6798From: J.R. BOOKWALTERNov 22, 1990 1:41 AM
Wayne, So this PostScript driver will basically completely replace my LaserJet driver to print PostScript from ALL my programs? That sounds too good to be true…I figured I'd be stuck with ProPage and ProWrite pretty much. Hope I read your message right…!! J.R. …going PostScript this Friday!
#7096From: Wayne ColeNov 26, 1990 12:58 AM
JR, Yep, just put the PostScritp dirver in the devs/printers along with the HPLaserJet diver and select the Postscritp in Prefernces. If you ever need to go back to HP, just pull the cartridge and select the HP driver in preferences. wmc
#7106From: J.R. BOOKWALTERNov 26, 1990 10:51 AM
Wayne, So I take it you are using this then? If so, with what printer and which programs have you used it on? Also, is there any way to select the font you wish to print from this way? Thanks, J.R.
#7136From: Ray LewisNov 26, 1990 7:51 PM
J.R.: The Postscript printer driver in the libs here simply takes the information from a standard ascii file and converts it to postscript code. It therefore can take normal text, or things like "DIR > PRT:" from the cli, and output to a postscript printer. If you set preferences to "DRAFT", it will output Courier (so that spacing is consistent, for tables, for example). If you set preferences to "Letter", it will use Times-Roman, which is proportional. Now, it works pretty well with most wordprocessors, too. BUT — it has some limitations regarding format controls. It won't always give you what you want if you are being fancy. I use it at work all the time, since I normally print into a postscript printer. For most text, and ALL system output to printer, as well as things like code, docs, etc., it works great. If I want to get fancy, I either use Professional Page, or if I want to get sorta fancy, I dumpt the text over the BridgeBoard, and use WordPerfect 5.x output in postscript to the same printer. ?|^] Ray Lewis
#7148From: J.R. BOOKWALTERNov 26, 1990 9:18 PM
OK, gotcha. Thanks for that data…I should be getting my Pacific Page postscript cart tomorrow (Tuesday), so I'll get some hands-on then…at least that driver exists, so I don't have to do any weird switching from cart to internal fonts on my LaserJet IIP… J.R.
#7169From: RON TROYNov 26, 1990 11:38 PM
Note that the files that Pac Data includes for the pc for switching between pcl and ps can easily be adapted for use in Amiga script files. Ron
#7194From: J.R. BOOKWALTERNov 27, 1990 1:25 AM
Great…that's good to know. So you can easily send a CLI command to switch back and forth when necessary, eh? Thanks, J.R.
#7672From: David F. CattellDec 1, 1990 9:38 PM
Ron: I have an HPIIP with the Pacific Page cartridge too. I use the PostScript driver and was unaware that changing Preferences to 'letter' for output quality would cause it to select a different font. I am fond of the times-roman font too. Just wanted to say thanks for the info! -D. Cattell
#7257From: Timothy P TrompeterNov 27, 1990 8:24 PM
Which Printer Driver are you using in WP5.x? I have a HPIII , 22866 bb and WP5.1 on the BB. My current problem is getting postscript output to disk from the BB side, that I'd like to then transfer to Amiga side, then out to printer using PixelScript–but I can't seem to find the right postscript printer driver on WP. Is LaserWriter a Postscript driver? Any suggestions? What is the worst problem is how to print a graphic in EPSF I've imported into WP. Since WP is on the BB and my PS emulater is on the Amiga side, I've been stuck. Help!!!! (Thanx in advance). Tim Trompeter – via Whap!
#7419From: Wayne ColeNov 29, 1990 2:15 AM
Tim, Yes LaserWriters are postscript. Are you sure that there is not a generic postscript driver for WP? I know there is for the VAX version. wmc
#7489From: Timothy P TrompeterNov 29, 1990 11:25 PM
I don't know if I've just not installed part of my printer drivers or what, but can't find a generic PS driver (at least on the hard disk…have to dig out the originals…). And what I do have installed isn't even a Laserwriter, just the Imagewriter, and I (think) that's not PS. – via Whap!
#7609From: Jason GoldbergDec 1, 1990 3:34 AM
Wayne, Only some of the LasterWritters are postscript (the NT and NTX) the lesser expensive one is NOT postscript. -Jason-
#7487From: Malcolm O'BrienNov 29, 1990 11:19 PM
Tim, The EPS graphic isn't a problem at all. Once you have the correct driver the EPS code will just be dropped in properly. The real problem is getting the right driver. MOST LaserWriters are Postscript. Check your WP manual for printing to a PostScript file. Malcolm
#7193From: Wayne ColeNov 27, 1990 1:25 AM
J.R. I've lost track of the "this" you referred to in your message. If you mean the postscript cartridge, no. I am familiar with users of it and their experiences – enough so that I will possibly be getting one soon. As for font selection, you need packages that work with or supply their owm PS font metric files. Then you select the font you want from the menu. Most DTP programs support Postscript. In the vanilla wordpro you are looking at ProWrite with its postscript add-on module, or excellence! with its included postscript fonts. (Someone else will have to speak to WordPerfect.) If you use a stnadard word pro a la scribble! etc you would end up with the PostScript default font which I believe is Times (or possibly courier??) Someone with IIP and PS cartridge could anser that for you. If you mean the LJP package, yes. Part of it's set of requesters is one to request which font you want. wmc
#6613From: Lloyd W. Dull IIINov 19, 1990 10:53 PM
J.R., I believe the Adobe PostScript cartridge only works with the older LaserJet II series (full size), not the IIP. I don't think Adobe has any other cartridges yet either. So you probably either have to wait for Adobe to come out with a model for the IIP, or get the Pacific Data cartridge. Lloyd
#6616From: J.R. BOOKWALTERNov 19, 1990 11:08 PM
Lloyd, Good to hear from you again! Thanks for the info…looks like I'll be shelving that idea for awhile then…although I will double-check with the store, I made sure to specify that I had the IIP. So far it sounds like more trouble and cash than it's probably worth. The Pacific Page cart is far more expensive, and (I think) does not include the fonts in the cartridge (or does it?). Plus it requires 2.5 meg of memory in the printer, which is an added cost at this point. Oh well. J.R.
#6684From: Lloyd W. Dull IIINov 20, 1990 9:20 PM
J.R., Data Pacific has a specific cartridge for the IIP (though I think it will work with the III too). It is about $100 cheaper than the one for the II. It *does* include the fonts in the cartridge. I don't have one (I have a PostScript printer), so you'll have to rely on other's testimony to decide. The Data Pacific unit will work, and Adobe's is "True Adobe PostScript" – but isn't out for the IIP yet. Either way, try to have MORE than the MINIMUM amount of RAM in the printer. Pro Page's CompuGraphic (or PageStream's CG, Adobe & Pagestream font) output to a 300 DPI LaserJet IIP may be good enough for you until Adobe comes out with a IIP compatable cartridge. Lloyd P.S. MAC dealers can be very ignorant of things that *aren't* MAC, so be careful.
#6691From: J.R. BOOKWALTERNov 20, 1990 10:12 PM
Lloyd, Thanks for the advice. I've decided to go with the Pacific Page PE cart which is compatible with the IIP, adding an extra meg of ram to my printer to total 2.5 megs. Combined they will run me $575 before tax, not a bad deal. The memory cart for the IIP will accept up to three more megs, so at least I'm planning for the future! Thanks, J.R.
#6853From: Lloyd W. Dull IIINov 22, 1990 7:01 PM
J.R., Sounds like a good solution – you'll be able to run software in either the HP LaserJet mode, or switch it to PostScript. Either way, the extra RAM will come in handy. And you'll be able to add additional ram for only the cost of the ram chips – if you need it. Let us know how it works out! Lloyd
#6862From: J.R. BOOKWALTERNov 22, 1990 10:48 PM
Lloyd, Sure will. Thanks for steering me clear of the potential disaster of buying the Adobe cart! J.R.
#7400From: Malcolm O'BrienNov 28, 1990 11:47 PM
JR, With the HP cart you must put the LJ offline and pull the cart to use PCL. The Adobe product for the II series can switch under software control. Not sure how the PacData does in this regard. Malcolm
#7417From: J.R. BOOKWALTERNov 29, 1990 2:05 AM
There is a software switch to go either way under MS-DOS, which I am going to convert over to a small Amiga script (it's basically just sending an escape code to the printer). Plus, there is a PostScript printer driver that allows just about everything to print from the Amiga using PostScript (Courier font replaces Draft mode, Times replaces NLQ mode). Thanks for the thoughts, J.R.
#7650From: Roy PahnkeDec 1, 1990 4:26 PM
J.R. When you convert that code for the software switch, be sure to post it here! OK I just got in a NEC Model 90. It too, comes with software for both IBM and Mac. (Will be writin' them askin' for the "Amiga Version… please", ya right!) Anyway – NEC has a program on those disks call EESWITCH – I don't have the time to deal with coverting it. But would have figured that someone would have done this for me already. I was about to search the Libs for this type of program. Figure the code to do the switch should be pretty universal amoungst Lasers – Don't you think? Would be nice if some one wrote PD some sort of real utility for PS/HPII laser use. I have only had this NEC for about a week and 1/2, and have experimented once with sending codes to the thing from the CLI. I'm, afaid I haven't gotten the syntax right just yet (or I have found the right Amiga conversion codes (ie Esc.) to follow the examples from the manuals. – Maybe someone could help me out with that? BTW – The NEC is wonderful – BLACK Black's – 2megs – 6ppm – 35 PS fonts – HPII+ – and is available below the $2,000 price point. A very nice unit, just wishin' I knew more about it. – Roy Pahnke – Casper, Wyomin'