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#Drake Like Testing Progr

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#64705From: BelliottNov 2, 1993 9:27 AM
James… A little butting in here (and if you knew me, you'd come to expect it!!), but I couldn't help "overhear" your comments about a hacker having better advantages than the normal "Joe". However true this may be, keep in mind that these tests are monitored by the proctor as well as timed. When the student begins the test, the "system" is watching them, and they only have a given amount of time to "get busy". For the AutoCAD exams, the student is truly in a Windows environment, but it is not the traditional Windows environ that we're used to seeing. Sure, you can minimize and change window sizes, and most all those other cool Windows features. What you can't do is shell to DOS, fire-up FileManager….you see, the test is being run in a highly customized Windows application (I couldn't even get Solitair to fire up!!!). If someone can hack that, hire 'im!!! Hit Return…Bill Elliott
#65074From: James Coulter[Mindscape]Nov 4, 1993 10:15 PM
Bill, If the test is proctored, then security is probably not too much of an issue. This is probably the best policy. However, please allow me to play the hacker's advocate. Keep in mind that hackers generally posess greater-than-average intelligence. This means they are not usually affected by the obvious stumbling blocks. I'm not a practiced hacker, but I am a practiced logic solver. If I wanted to hack the system, here is what I would do: 1) Gain access the machines holding the test program and do a dummy run. Reboot to A: and look for files written in last 15 minutes. 2) Find somebody who will be taking the test before me (previous hour, or separate section of class). Preferably this person is one who is gauranteed to ace the test. Instruct them on how to grab the file(s) identified in step 1 by rebooting from A:. 3) One the file is in hand, and If the file is not too encrypted, I could change any relavant information such as the username on the file. Steps 1-3 happen, BEFORE, I go to take my exam. 4) During the exam, check the interface and make sure the test has not changed. Provided it has not, reboot the computer from A:. 5) Dump the 'hacked' file(s) into the appropriate directory. Hack complete. As you can see. My approach was to avoid the interface altogether. With two to three hours invested, the hacker could save weeks worth of studying! Obviously, I have made many assumptions. But, I think you see my point. — James —
#65091From: Wayne Hodgins [Adesk]Nov 5, 1993 12:00 AM
Fortunately for us and unfortunately for you, I think we have you foiled so far James! <g> 1. You can gain access to the machines if you like perhaps, BUT there are NO files to be found! These are downloaded from the server just before the exam begins after determining what exam you want. In future evolvements, we will be having different "application tracks" such as mechanical, architectural so that the person being tested will be able to ensure that when they are facing drawing problems they will be in a closer match to what they are accustomed to. 2. Again, no files to be found, they are all moved to the server for processing, scoring, uploading, etc. Also, rebooting the machine would lock you out of the net and require the proctor to get you back in. Also, NO floppies allowed in the room. Sure you could smuggle them in, hide em, etc. but the typical setup is, come in, go to the machine you are assigned, begin the exam, tell the system you are through to stop the clock, get your results, leave. Also, while I guess you could find someone to take the exam "before" you, there is not typically so much demand as to require more than one sitting per day or less. Remember, the exams are available almost whenever you want to take them within the schedule that the site sets. We will increase this frequency as demand dictates. 3. Not applicable. No file exists. Oh, yeah, BTW, the files are encrypted and compressed for transmission via sattelite to the Drake mainframe. 4. Similar to #2 above. 5. Nothing to dump. Any questions? <g> Now don't get me wrong, I am not so naive as to be suggesting that there is no way that this system can be "hacked" by someone, somehow, with enough ingenuity and guile, but we think we have made the liklihood VERY remote. Keep "testing" us though (sorry couldn't resist) to keep us on our toes. Course if you are successful, just let us know and I guess we will just have to hire you to fix the system for us! ww 5.
#65112From: BelliottNov 5, 1993 10:24 AM
Your hacking points are well taken (and thoroughly considered), but BING….wrong answer!!!! You see, the test is driven by Drake's version of Windows and all the files are stored on the server (undoubtedly – access protected). The only real advantage you could possibly acquire, would be to use the drawings that the previous "attendee" used for their test, but Bing….worng answer!!! The drawing files are automatically deleted after the test is completed. Even though you're using a test station, all of the information files, menus, answer files, blah, blah, blah….are kept on the server. Now there's your target (and I'm not talking about the famous store!!). If you can get to the server, and access the database for the…Bing….wrong answer!!! You see Drake Training and Technologies is a well estaablished company that provides testing certification administration for such fields as Novell Certification, FAA Pilots, and the likes. I don't want to know if my friendly airline pilot has hacked his way through the certification process to get to the first seat on the plane. But again, Drake's jopb in all of this is to "certify" that he hasn't, nor will MOST other folks. I don't work FOR Drake, simply WITH them, and they have a reall solid solution to these scenarios that you've presented. Besides, the test is randomized each time anyway, so the anwer to question 27 WAS "B", but the next time, that same question may show up at position number 12….hoooo nose!!!! Keep hackin' though…it's good for the nerves!!!