#Election Day Narcosis
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Have you considered that the reason there are so unskilled jobs available is
because of the idiotic "minimum wage law"? Employers can no longer afford to
train people because the government dictates how much they must pay for the
priviledge of educating the uneducated.
Yah, like the minimum wage is so high. Factory jobs used to pay $16, $18,
even more sometimes per hour. Minimum is $5 or something, right? (And
incidentally plenty of people violate even that.)
Paul – wearing my black construction paper funeral suit
your point….if any?
My point is that you have no point. The minimum wage isn't ruining anyone.
Paul – wearing my black construction paper funeral suit
except those who might want to be able to learn a job and aren't worth the
$4.35/hr until they do.
Oh yeah, like the jobs that pay $4.35 are SO tough to learn, they just
take weeks of grossly overpaid time from the employers' pockets. Righto.
Paul – wearing my black construction paper funeral suit
> Oh yeah, like the jobs that pay $4.35 are SO tough to learn, …
Your sarcasm does not change the fact that low-paying jobs are low paying
because they are (a) unskilled, (b) have side benefits, (c)are a 'learning' or
'entry level' job, or (d) probably a few I missed.
Minimum wage jobs are taken by students, people newly in the job market, people
who cannot obtain the skills to do a higher paying job. More importantly, they
are taken by people who are willing to work, in preference to accepting
welfare.
Left alone, the market does an excellent job of regulating salaries,
production, pricing, and so on. Not left alone, it ends up going downhill, with
all the attendant suffering you see around you now.
-larry
Paul, the people who take those jobs ARE learning. Like how to show up for
work on time, every day. Dressed neatly. Like how to follow instructions, and
how to be polite regardless of how YOU feel. And what it's like to get a
paycheck, and how to budget their money. Just because YOU don't need to learn
these things doesn't mean that lots of people don't.
-Karl
Well, if a higher minimum wage is desirable, why don't we just make it $200/hr.
and be done with it?
-larry
??? What a load of manure. That's not a response designed to promote
discussion; that's a response designed to say "shut up" between the lines.
Paul – wearing my black construction paper funeral suit
> That's not a response designed to promote discussion;
So you say. In actual fact, I designed that response to avoid all the
intermediate steps in the discussion, to get to the crux of tha matter. The
crux of the matter is that any change in the minimum wage is invariably met
with an adjustrment in the cost of items or services. Rather than go through
all the steps leading to the question I would inevitably ask, I just asked it
up front/
> that's a response designed to say "shut up" between the lines.
If you interpret it that way, it's your problem, not mine. I don't want you to
shut up. I want you to tell me how you think an increase in the minimum wage
would do anything useful at all.
-larry