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Mosul, Iraq

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#138328From: SyndesisNov 28, 1994 1:17 PM
This is a completely left-field question, but here goes… Has any other 3D company out there been getting letters from various names, all addressed to PO Box numbers in Mosul, Iraq? About once a month we get very similar-looking letters from Mosul, Iraq. Some claim to be computer dealers, others look like regular requests for info, all ask for free product. All appear to be in the same handwriting, sometimes the names are minor variations of each other. It's a hoot. Has anyone else seen this?
#138474From: bruce gorenNov 29, 1994 1:01 AM
Are you pulling our virtual legs John ? I haven't gotten one of those yet. As goofy as it sounds I'd send a copy to the State Department and a copy to the producers of PBS's FRONTLINE. One of the reasons Iraq's evil dictator still rules is that we underestimated him, and his countrymen, as incompetant buffoons. Meanwhile he came within a hairsbreath of getting a collection of nukes. Stick a computer, a topological database, 3D software, propulsion and wings on a bomb and you've got a cruise missile making right hand turns at red lights on it's way downtown to your capitol. If a Cessna can make it through to knock on the front door, if the bastards can blow up the World Trade Center, if we refuse to enforce the international borders at Mexico, Canada, and our ports of entry, etc…you get the picture. Anyway, Please turn this goofy letter over to the proper authorities, you just never know . . . Bruce N. Goren
#138491From: SyndesisNov 29, 1994 7:59 AM
No, I'm not kidding. We did receive one of the (relatively) famous letter from an African nation, requesting our bank account number so they could hide cash there. I forget which country it was, it was sent by some guy claiming that he had extra money in his agency's account and that he needed to spend it by the end of the year… quite funny, and quite sad. As for the Mosul guy(s), I'm sure they're "mostly harmless." Probably teenagers, from the professionalism of their letters. Unless you regard the acquisition of 3D models of Scud launchers to be a threat to national security. 🙂
#138561From: bruce gorenNov 29, 1994 1:16 PM
Well, I'll try not to lose any sleep over it but the lack of professionalism of thier letters which leaves the impression that they might be "harmless" is exactly the type of clever ploy I worry about. I'm sure the bearded fanatic racing around the World Trade Center parking garage in a rented and bomb-laden van was dismissed as just another reckless idiot immigrant driver by any cynical New Yorkers who were around at the time. Our collective lack of vigilence in a dangerous world scares me. Bruce N. Goren
#138570From: SyndesisNov 29, 1994 1:57 PM
They were just hunting for free software. Americans do it, too. 🙂 As they say, vice in the defense of liberty is not extremism… 🙂 Bruce, I had no previous indication of your political views. I vote Libertarian myself, which makes me unpopular with both the left and the right.
#138663From: bruce gorenNov 29, 1994 10:12 PM
John, Hunting for free software, maybe — but don't forget they consider us thier enemies, a great Satan, they scavange technology wherever they can find it. Don't forget that one of the many reasons we ruled thier skies is because we planted a software virus in thier air defense radar. Cool tricks like that only work once, they'll be ready and watching next time. Since trade with them is banned they will use whatever innocent looking scams they can think of to get any shred of anything that might prove useful in some long term obscure manner. Think about U.S. history in WW2 and how every pair of nylons, every victory garden, every penny made from steel/zinc instead of copper made a difference. Saddam and his staff are very resourceful and creative, we have not heard the last of the Iraqis. Actually I'm issue oriented and all over the political spectrum without regard to ideology, sometimes left and sometimes right. I grew up a radical leftist and switched through the Democarats, Libertarians and then non-affiliation to the Republican party in order to lend a moderating voice and vote in "enemy" primaries. But, like the libertarians, I believe the Government's main task is to guard the international borders and insure public safety. Beyond that I'd like to see uncle sam take a retirement cruise with the exception of several key areas which I believe the Feds ought to oversee and regulate, if not nationalize.
#138754From: SyndesisNov 30, 1994 9:16 AM
Actually, I think I started learning the most about libertarianism when I said "the only proper role of government is to protect the borders and deliver the mail," and a real libertarian said to me, "absolutely not." Well, he was probably a capital L Libertarian. I'm sure there could be a long thread that could debate exactly what you'd try to keep inside the border, and what you'd try to keep out, and why people hire private protection even if the government is supposedly protecting them, and why UPS should be allowed to deliver the mail door-to-door, and why my cable wire should transmit and receive in both directions. 🙂
#138707From: albert waltnerNov 30, 1994 2:01 AM
>> As they say, vice in the defense of liberty >> is not extremism… 🙂 From reading this thread, I am not sure if you intended to quote Mr. Republican, or mangle that famous quote. From my recall, I think you mangled it but if you did it the way you wanted, never mind <g>.
#138745From: SyndesisNov 30, 1994 9:03 AM
Yes, I mangled it on purpose. 🙂
#138813From: Arturo SinclairNov 30, 1994 1:10 PM
I will try to refrain in commenting about an alarming display of ignorance and paranoia Another idiot immigrant Arturo
#139008From: bruce gorenDec 1, 1994 5:12 AM
I will refraim from flaming someone with no sense of humor who takes colorful language out of context and pouts publicly. Sorry that you were offended. If the shoe fits . . . Bruce