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#99571From: James Moran [OLT]Dec 23, 1987 1:19 AM
I've received some strongly worded mail from Commodore users who object to any association C=A might have with Dr. Timothy Leary. Leary is supposed to be developing a software program/series called Mind Movies for the Amiga. Here's a portion of one message that I received: "[Leary] is associated with more burnt out brains and deaths [drug] than anyone since the Vietnam War effort." Obviously, the writer wasn't pleased with Leary's supposed association with the Amiga (as he went on to say). All of the folks I've talked with so far have said they wouldn't buy the package just because Leary's name would be on it. Others have said (vehemently!) that they'd boycott C=A for further purchases. Anyone care to comment? Jim Moran Online Today magazine
#99572From: Doug WingerDec 23, 1987 1:26 AM
Sounds to me the burnouts are all still up and about, writing letters of protest about Leary.
#99576From: James Moran [OLT]Dec 23, 1987 1:33 AM
And?
#99585From: Doug WingerDec 23, 1987 2:14 AM
Maybe they're writing for OLT as well?
#99585From: Doug WingerDec 23, 1987 2:14 AM
Maybe they're writing for OLT as well?
#99576From: James Moran [OLT]Dec 23, 1987 1:33 AM
And?
#99572From: Doug WingerDec 23, 1987 1:26 AM
Sounds to me the burnouts are all still up and about, writing letters of protest about Leary.
#99577From: Don Curtis/SYSOPDec 23, 1987 1:35 AM
I didn't pay any attention to Leary's mad ravings back in the 60's, I sure as hell am not going to start now! NO, I wouldn't buy anything with his name on it.
#99645From: Thomas HoladayDec 23, 1987 2:41 PM
A religious philosopher of the second century (or thereabouts) named Origin, during his youth, castrated himself, under the idea that it would bring him closer to mystic purity. He later regretted his action. He also wrote nearly a hundred volumes of sound, cogent, even inspired philosophy. Regardless of the quality of the ideas he presented, though, folks would say "Are you serious? Are you going to listen to that man? Don't you know what he did?" This is the classic case of 'ad hominem' argument, the condemning of an idea as unworthy because its source is questionable. I believe the quality of an author's work is a completely different matter from the quality of his character. Would you condemn the Amiga Gadget Editor because it's author's youth was not without blemish? Should we refuse to listen to A Child's Christmas in Wales because it's poet abused ethanol? If Leary writes a good program, why not enjoy it?
#99645From: Thomas HoladayDec 23, 1987 2:41 PM
A religious philosopher of the second century (or thereabouts) named Origin, during his youth, castrated himself, under the idea that it would bring him closer to mystic purity. He later regretted his action. He also wrote nearly a hundred volumes of sound, cogent, even inspired philosophy. Regardless of the quality of the ideas he presented, though, folks would say "Are you serious? Are you going to listen to that man? Don't you know what he did?" This is the classic case of 'ad hominem' argument, the condemning of an idea as unworthy because its source is questionable. I believe the quality of an author's work is a completely different matter from the quality of his character. Would you condemn the Amiga Gadget Editor because it's author's youth was not without blemish? Should we refuse to listen to A Child's Christmas in Wales because it's poet abused ethanol? If Leary writes a good program, why not enjoy it?
#99577From: Don Curtis/SYSOPDec 23, 1987 1:35 AM
I didn't pay any attention to Leary's mad ravings back in the 60's, I sure as hell am not going to start now! NO, I wouldn't buy anything with his name on it.
#99581From: Steve AhlstromDec 23, 1987 1:53 AM
Leary doing software design!? This one I gotta buy!
#99600From: C. Davey UtterDec 23, 1987 5:32 AM
Yeah, I'll bet it will be at least funny…Dave
#99600From: C. Davey UtterDec 23, 1987 5:32 AM
Yeah, I'll bet it will be at least funny…Dave
#99581From: Steve AhlstromDec 23, 1987 1:53 AM
Leary doing software design!? This one I gotta buy!
#99582From: Marlene ZenkerDec 23, 1987 1:57 AM
Anyone is entitled to write software – boycotting a company because someone doesn't like a particular person is ridiculous. Boycott the software, not the computer. Marlene
#99582From: Marlene ZenkerDec 23, 1987 1:57 AM
Anyone is entitled to write software – boycotting a company because someone doesn't like a particular person is ridiculous. Boycott the software, not the computer. Marlene
#99583From: John DraperDec 23, 1987 2:08 AM
Come on James, what sort of comments do you expect us to make about people who are so misguided as to confuse Commodore and their machine with a company that is paying someone to design a software package? Are you even aware that Leary has done the same thing for other computers? Running short of rumors to pawn off as fact? Regards, Larry.
#99583From: John DraperDec 23, 1987 2:08 AM
Come on James, what sort of comments do you expect us to make about people who are so misguided as to confuse Commodore and their machine with a company that is paying someone to design a software package? Are you even aware that Leary has done the same thing for other computers? Running short of rumors to pawn off as fact? Regards, Larry.
#99599From: C. Davey UtterDec 23, 1987 5:31 AM
Jim, Tim has always been a rather unique thinker and will probably write some pretty innovative software and what better machine to write it for than the Ami? Give the poor guy a chance, after all he's getting old and needs some success after soooo much failure. To go from the leading drug crazed guru to the college lecture circuit with Gordon Liddy was a big comedown and frankly I don't know any burnt brains that can be blamed on him, and I know alot of burnt brains. No cracks about the condition of mine, ok?…Dave
#99599From: C. Davey UtterDec 23, 1987 5:31 AM
Jim, Tim has always been a rather unique thinker and will probably write some pretty innovative software and what better machine to write it for than the Ami? Give the poor guy a chance, after all he's getting old and needs some success after soooo much failure. To go from the leading drug crazed guru to the college lecture circuit with Gordon Liddy was a big comedown and frankly I don't know any burnt brains that can be blamed on him, and I know alot of burnt brains. No cracks about the condition of mine, ok?…Dave
#99628From: Ben BlishDec 23, 1987 12:21 PM
You can quote me on this – "Leary is a dope". –Ben–
#99628From: Ben BlishDec 23, 1987 12:21 PM
You can quote me on this – "Leary is a dope". –Ben–
#99655From: BILL LEACHDec 23, 1987 2:57 PM
Every look at some of the software ads 'in the back of the magazine' for IBM MSDos? While I doubt that Leary will effect the Ami one way or the other, I also doubt that his product could be any worse than is avalable for any of the 'other' machines. Leary makes good(?) new. 73, bill
#99655From: BILL LEACHDec 23, 1987 2:57 PM
Every look at some of the software ads 'in the back of the magazine' for IBM MSDos? While I doubt that Leary will effect the Ami one way or the other, I also doubt that his product could be any worse than is avalable for any of the 'other' machines. Leary makes good(?) new. 73, bill